Functions of Several Variables, Temperature?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a calculus problem involving functions of several variables, specifically focusing on the temperature distribution on a metal plate modeled by a given function. Participants are exploring how to determine the directions of no change in temperature and the direction of greatest increase in temperature from a specific point on the plate.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Calleigh expresses confusion about the problem and seeks help in visualizing the temperature model and its implications.
  • Some participants suggest taking the derivative of the temperature function T(x,y) to find the required directions.
  • There is a discussion about the gradient and its significance in determining the directional derivative of the temperature function.
  • One participant shares their attempt at solving the problem using a different method, but expresses uncertainty about the correctness of their calculations.
  • Another participant encourages looking up terms like "gradient" and "directional derivative" for further understanding.
  • A later reply indicates that the approach taken by a participant seems correct, affirming their findings regarding directions of no change and greatest increase in temperature.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the importance of the gradient in solving the problem, but there is no consensus on the specific calculations or methods to be used, as some participants express confusion and seek clarification.

Contextual Notes

Some participants mention that they have not yet covered the relevant topics in class, indicating a potential gap in foundational knowledge that may affect their understanding of the problem.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for students studying multivariable calculus, particularly those encountering problems related to gradients and directional derivatives for the first time.

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Hello, my name is Calleigh and i am new to the forum! I am in Calculus II and have a few questions on some problems. I am using the textbook Calculus 8th edition by Larson, Hostetler and Edwards. Could someone please help me?

The problem is on pg 942 in chapter 13.6 in the text, number 76. It reads:

The temperature at point (x,y) on a metal plate is modeled by:
T(x,y)=400e^-((x^2+y)/2) where x>=0 and y>=0.

It asks to find the directions of no change in heat on the plate from the point (3,5).
It also asks to find the direction of greatest increase in heat from the point (3,5).


Does anyone know what this problem is talking about? Usually it helps if i can picture it in my head but I'm lost... My professor suggested drawing a picture, but i haven't the slightest clue even where to begin.

Any help would be greatly appreciated! Thanks guyssss ;)
 
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CalleighMay said:
Hello, my name is Calleigh and i am new to the forum! I am in Calculus II and have a few questions on some problems. I am using the textbook Calculus 8th edition by Larson, Hostetler and Edwards. Could someone please help me?

The problem is on pg 942 in chapter 13.6 in the text, number 76. It reads:

The temperature at point (x,y) on a metal plate is modeled by:
T(x,y)=400e^-((x^2+y)/2) where x>=0 and y>=0.

It asks to find the directions of no change in heat on the plate from the point (3,5).
It also asks to find the direction of greatest increase in heat from the point (3,5).


Does anyone know what this problem is talking about? Usually it helps if i can picture it in my head but I'm lost... My professor suggested drawing a picture, but i haven't the slightest clue even where to begin.

Any help would be greatly appreciated! Thanks guyssss ;)
If you are looking for the direction in which there is no change in temperature*, what can you say about the directional derivative in that direction?

For the second part, what does the gradient of a vector field represent?

(*)From a physics point of view, I will mention that temperature and heat are not the same thing, but since we're in Maths, I'll let you off :wink:.
 
thanks for the reply hootenanny!

So you're saying i should take the derivative of T(x,y)? How do i do that with 2 variables in the parenthesis?
 
Someone suggested a different method and i gave it a shot, could someone tell me if this is right?

-400xe^-((x^2+y)/2), p=-1200e^-7
400(-.5)e^-((x^2+y)/2), p=200e^-7
-200e^-7 (6,1)

Now, i have no idea what this means, i just followed the example and did the same thing. Can anyone understand this and tell me if its right? lol Thanks ;)
 
CalleighMay said:
thanks for the reply hootenanny!

So you're saying i should take the derivative of T(x,y)? How do i do that with 2 variables in the parenthesis?
You're studying multi variable calculus, you must know how to take the gradient and determine the directional derivative of a function.
CalleighMay said:
Someone suggested a different method and i gave it a shot, could someone tell me if this is right?

-400xe^-((x^2+y)/2), p=-1200e^-7
400(-.5)e^-((x^2+y)/2), p=200e^-7
-200e^-7 (6,1)

Now, i have no idea what this means, i just followed the example and did the same thing. Can anyone understand this and tell me if its right? lol Thanks ;)
I honestly have no idea what you have done here.
 
Then can you start me off in the right direction? My friends and are are tying these out, we honestly don't know what to do. We haven't covered this stuff in class yet our professors just giving us a peak at what w will encounter in next semester, i just want to impress him.
 
Then impress him by looking up "gradient" or "gradient vector" in your textbook.
 
CalleighMay said:
Then can you start me off in the right direction? My friends and are are tying these out, we honestly don't know what to do. We haven't covered this stuff in class yet our professors just giving us a peak at what w will encounter in next semester, i just want to impress him.
If you click on the words gradient and directional derivative you'll be taken to the appropriate articles in our Library. However, these only offer a brief overview. For a fuller treatment I suggest that you consult your text.

Have you done any partial differentiation yet?
 
Thanks for those links they help a little. I actually found an example that seemed to ask for the same things, so i tried the method on this prob and this is what i got...

T(x,y)= 400e^-((x^2+y)/2) [-xi-(1/2)j]
T(3,5)=400e^(-7[-3i-(1/2)j)]

So there will not be change in directions perpendicular to the gradient +or - (i-6j)

and the largest increase will be in the direction of the gradient -3i-(1/2)j

does this seems about right? thanks ;)
 
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CalleighMay said:
Thanks for those links they help a little. I actually found an example that seemed to ask for the same things, so i tried the method on this prob and this is what i got...

T(x,y)= 400e^-((x^2+y)/2) [-xi-(1/2)j]
T(3,5)=400e^(-7[-3i-(1/2)j)]

So there will not be change in directions perpendicular to the gradient +or - (i-6j)

and the largest increase will be in the direction of the gradient -3i-(1/2)j

does this seems about right? thanks ;)
Looks good to me :approve:.
 
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thanks! :)
 

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