Functions, operator => eigenfunction, eigenvalue

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The discussion revolves around the identification of eigenfunctions and eigenvalues related to a specific operator involving partial derivatives with respect to angular variables. The functions in question are trigonometric and exponential in nature, and the original poster seeks to verify their status as eigenfunctions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to apply an operator to the given functions and is uncertain about the correctness of their calculations. They seek clarification on how to compare the results of their operations to determine if the functions are indeed eigenfunctions.

Discussion Status

Participants have provided guidance on applying derivatives to the functions and have emphasized the importance of correctly operating the operator on the functions. There is a recognition of the need for patience and careful calculation, with some participants sharing their experiences of simplifying the process.

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There are indications of confusion regarding the application of derivatives and the interpretation of results, as well as a reliance on software tools for calculations. The original poster expresses a desire for step-by-step guidance, highlighting the educational nature of the discussion.

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[SOLVED] Functions, operator => eigenfunction, eigenvalue

Homework Statement


Show, that functions
f1 = A*sin([tex]\theta[/tex])exp[i[tex]\phi[/tex]] and
f2 = B(3cos[tex]^{2}[/tex]([tex]\theta[/tex]) - 1) A,B - constants
are eigenfunctions of an operator
http://img358.imageshack.us/img358/3406/98211270ob1.jpg
and find eigenvalues


The Attempt at a Solution


This is what i got for the first function:
http://img391.imageshack.us/img391/4461/38657444ih2.jpg

The next step is to solve left part of the equation, and than compare it to the right part.

The question arises, how to solve that equation?

I tried simplifying left part of an equation in mathcad, and I got
http://img391.imageshack.us/img391/1897/28095157bm3.jpg

Next question from that part, is if I am doing it right, how to compare those parts, and answer a question - weather this function is an eigenfunction of an operator?

Thank You in advance, and I am constantly near computer and waiting for suggestions.
 
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Your eigen operator has partial derivatives wrt to [itex]\theta[/itex] and [itex]\phi[/itex]. When you operate it on your given eigen function, you should get back your original function multiplied by a scaling factor which is your eigenvalue.
 
Yes, Thank You, but how do I calculate that? May I ask for instructions on how to calculate that left part of an equation? Is the result I got is correct?
 
sundriedtomato said:
Yes, Thank You, but how do I calculate that? May I ask for instructions on how to calculate that left part of an equation? Is the result I got is correct?

Just go ahead and apply the derivatives! It's that simple. (btw, I don't know what you entered in mathcad but what it gave you is wrong).

all you have to do is to apply the derivatives
 
sundriedtomato said:
Yes, Thank You, but how do I calculate that? May I ask for instructions on how to calculate that left part of an equation? Is the result I got is correct?

For the first term, what you have to calculate is

[tex]\frac{1}{sin \theta} \frac{\partial}{\partial \theta} ( sin \theta ~\frac{\partial}{ \partial \theta} (A sin \theta} e^{i \phi}}) )[/tex]
 
I will give it a try right know. Thank You.
 
So, after proper calculations, the result is
http://img76.imageshack.us/img76/3385/38806746cn9.jpg

Is this one correct?

I posted an image of what I am given, and as far as I know, differentiation sign usually is placed before the function?
I just don't get it - to what parts of an equation do underlined derivatives belong t?
http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/9895/22kn1.jpg

Thank You.
 
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The part in brackets is an "operator"... every incomplete differentiation sign (ie, without anything to differentiate) operates on whatever is "multiplied" to it.

For example, the d/d(theta) is your image also operates on A*sin(theta)*exp(i*phi), because when you open the bracket, it gets to differentiate that term.

Eg. (the d's are partial)
[d/dx + d/dy]*x*y^2 = y^2 + 2*y*x
 
sundriedtomato said:
Yes, Thank You, but how do I calculate that? May I ask for instructions on how to calculate that left part of an equation? Is the result I got is correct?
Just operate it on the function. They are simple partial derivatives, I won't take much time to solve. Just a little patience for the initial steps. I tried your problem and many terms get canceled out and you get the solution correctly. You don't need mathcad to do it.
 
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Thank You Reshma! I already managed to solve it correctly, and find eigenvalues as well.
For the case with the first function : a = 2h^2, and for the case with second function b = 6h^2. The problem was initially in understanding how to apply operator properly. Once example have been given, and operator properties reanalyzed - problem got solved in like 10 minutes (with putting it all on a paper as well). Thank You everybody who took part in this one!
 

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