Fundamental doubt on Acceleration.

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of acceleration, particularly in the context of a body moving in a circular path with constant speed. Participants explore the relationship between force, velocity, and acceleration, and seek to clarify the implications of changing direction while maintaining constant speed.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the meaning of acceleration when a body changes direction but maintains constant speed, questioning the logical interpretation of acceleration in this scenario.
  • Another participant explains that acceleration occurs due to changes in velocity, which includes changes in direction, and notes that this can be understood mathematically since velocity is a vector.
  • A different participant emphasizes that only force causes acceleration, referencing Newton's first law, and questions whether the acceleration calculated using centripetal force would match the acceleration from a change in direction.
  • Another reply asserts that the two methods of calculating acceleration (centripetal force and direction change) describe the same phenomenon, assuming the context of constant speed in circular motion.
  • One participant clarifies their earlier statement, acknowledging confusion between the terms "velocity" and "speed," and recognizes that a body cannot maintain constant velocity while moving in a circular path.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit some disagreement regarding the definitions and implications of velocity versus speed, as well as the conditions under which acceleration occurs. There is no consensus on the conceptual understanding of acceleration in the context of circular motion.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note the potential confusion arising from the interchangeable use of "velocity" and "speed" in textbooks, which may contribute to misunderstandings about the concepts being discussed.

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Hi Everyone, I have very fundamental question on Acceleration. I can understand that a moving body accelerates or de-accelerate when its velocity goes up and down.

But I couldn't understand; when we say a moving body accelrates or de-accelerates when the direction of moving body changes(with constant velocity). What acceleration literally means here?

I can understand mathematically since velocity is a vector we get acceleration whenever magnitude or direction changes. But I couldn't understand logically what acceleration means here.
 
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PhysicsBegner said:
Hi Everyone, I have very fundamental question on Acceleration. I can understand that a moving body accelerates or de-accelerate when its velocity goes up and down.

But I couldn't understand; when we say a moving body accelrates or de-accelerates when the direction of moving body changes(with constant velocity). What acceleration literally means here?

I can understand mathematically since velocity is a vector we get acceleration whenever magnitude or direction changes. But I couldn't understand logically what acceleration means here.

Whenever an object changes speed or direction then it feels a force and therefore acceleration, because velocity is a vector quantity. Acceleration in the case you have given, where it has constant speed, means that the force is perpendicular to the velocity of the body, which means it is moving in a circle.
 
I think u misunderstood only force causes acceleration, No force then no acceleration(Newton's first law). My doubt was: if we calculate acceleration of a body moving with a constant velocity in a circle using centripetal force then wold it be equal to the acceleration calculated by direction change of velocity.
 
PhysicsBegner said:
My doubt was: if we calculate acceleration of a body moving with a constant velocity in a circle using centripetal force then wold it be equal to the acceleration calculated by direction change of velocity.
Yes, of course. Those are just two ways of saying the same thing. (I assume you mean a body moving in a circle with constant speed, not constant velocity.)

You can calculate the acceleration of the object as kinematic exercise, getting ac = v^2/r. Applying Newton's 2nd law gives you Fc = mac. It's the same acceleration either way.
 
PhysicsBegner said:
I think u misunderstood only force causes acceleration, No force then no acceleration(Newton's first law). My doubt was: if we calculate acceleration of a body moving with a constant velocity in a circle
As Doc Al implies, this is impossible. To move with a constant velocity means to move at a constant speed in a straight line. "Velocity" is a vector quantity having both magnitude and direction. Change in either magnitude (speed) or direction is an acceleration.

using centripetal force then wold it be equal to the acceleration calculated by direction change of velocity.
You are confusing "velocity" and "speed".
 
Yes, I meant constant speed not velocity. I was confused since some textbooks use term velocity instead of speed at certain places. And I understand that a body can't travel in circular path with constant velocity.

Thank you.
 

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