Fundamentals of Physics by David Halliday

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The discussion revolves around the textbook "Fundamentals of Physics" by David Halliday, Robert Resnick, and Jearl Walker, focusing on its pedagogical approach, content, and suitability for different levels of physics students. Participants share their experiences and opinions regarding the book's effectiveness in teaching physics concepts, particularly in mechanics and thermodynamics.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant criticizes the book for being overly focused on numerical computation and lacking depth in explaining fundamental principles, suggesting that it caters to students who do not wish to understand the material thoroughly.
  • Another participant notes that while the book is reasonable for introductory physics, it lacks coverage of certain topics like probability and kinetic theory, which required supplemental notes from the professor.
  • A different viewpoint expresses that the book is suitable for students with a limited calculus background, contrasting it with more challenging texts like Kleppner and Kolenkow.
  • One participant mentions their positive experience using the book during their graduate studies, highlighting the challenging problems it presents, although they express uncertainty about the contributions of later co-authors like Krane or Walker.
  • There is a suggestion to consider the works of Krane or Walker as alternatives, although the context of this recommendation is not fully elaborated.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of opinions about the book, with some finding it reasonable for introductory courses while others criticize its pedagogical approach. There is no consensus on its overall effectiveness or suitability for all students.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note limitations in the book's coverage of certain topics and express varying levels of satisfaction with its pedagogical methods. The discussion reflects differing experiences based on individual teaching contexts and student backgrounds.

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This discussion may be of interest to educators, students considering physics textbooks, and those evaluating different pedagogical approaches in introductory physics courses.

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This is a pretty typical book of its type, including the exploitative price tag. I taught out of it a few times and hated it more than some books and less than others. Most of the following criticisms would apply to most of the commercial offerings competing with this book.

It's a plug-and-chug book aimed at students who don't want to understand basic principles. Sometimes a fact or an equation is justified with experimental evidence or theoretical reason, but often not. The last edition I looked at had a completely erroneous claim that conservation of angular momentum followed from Newton's third law. The motivation for the relativistic equation for momentum is one of the worst pieces of pedagogy I've ever seen enshrined in a textbook.

There is a large number of problems, and many of them deal with examples that are interesting in their own right. However, the focus is overwhelmingly on numerical computation, which I think is exactly the wrong thing to do with students at this level.

Students who have a strong math background and who actually want to understand the subject would be better of with Kleppner and Kolenkow for mechanics and Purcell for E&M.
 
What you want recommend its Co-Author Krane or Walker
 
The 3rd edition was the required text when I took first semester physics in college; the pre-req was a semester of calculus, so I took it my second semester. We covered the chapters on mechanics and thermodynamics, so that is all I can really comment on. Overall I think it is a reasonable book, and the professor made a reasonable course based on the book. Not overly challenging, but reasonable. He did have to hand out notes on elementary aspects of probability, kinetic theory, equipartition theorem, etc, as Halliday seemed to not have much of anything along those lines. Some of the problems in the book are very challenging (the bead rolling off of a sphere problem - try to do it without Lagrangians with constraints!), while some are more plug and chug. My prof. struck a middle ground, if I recall correctly.

Now, is this book the end-all and be-all of intro physics? Of course not. However, for many of us (certainly me) K&K would be much too challenging as a first exposure to these topics and with just one semester of calculus under our belts. Having said that, I did find the approach less than satisfying so switched to the honors track for 2nd and 3rd semester physics, during which I found a few passages in Halliday to be helpful. But since I never really studied much of the EM/waves/modern physics chapters I cannot comment on them.

Currently I use Halliday to block the glare of the late afternoon sun on my window-sill at work. If I want to understand something I cannot recall for some reason, I am much more likely to reach for Feynman.

jason
 
I was a graduate student at RPI in the 1980's (Resnick was there) and used the textbook for my students for four years. I know of no better book at this level. Many of the problems are very challenging.

I am somewhat familiar with Giancoli but I like R and H better. However I do not know how the material from Krane or Walker adds to the book because I did not use the book after 1983. (I believe one later edition of R and H even has a problem I asked of my students. No doubt the question is taken from files of old quizzes students sometimes saved to prepare for their future exams)
 

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