Furthest point at which light interferes

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The discussion revolves around understanding the conditions for destructive interference of light emitted from two point sources, S1 and S2, and specifically the furthest point, P, at which this interference occurs. Participants explore the theoretical aspects of wavefronts, path differences, and the relationship to the double slit experiment.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about why light cannot interfere beyond point P, despite the wavefronts appearing to intersect in various ways in all directions.
  • Another participant suggests that understanding the path difference as point P moves towards infinity is crucial for grasping the concept of destructive interference.
  • A participant provides a mathematical solution involving path differences and describes how the furthest point is determined by the condition of having a path difference of half a wavelength.
  • There is a comparison made between this scenario and the double slit experiment, noting that the derivation for the double slit assumes an infinitely far screen, while this problem involves much smaller distances.
  • One participant clarifies that the question pertains to specific points along a line and that interference patterns can still be observed at larger distances, even if the first minimum moves away from the center.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the visual interpretation of light behavior beyond point P, and there are differing views on the implications of the mathematical solution and its relation to the double slit experiment.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the dependence on path differences and the specific conditions required for destructive interference, but these aspects remain unresolved in terms of their broader implications.

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This is from a homework problem and i kno how to solve it with formulas but i don't kno what's actually going on. So in the diagram above, light is emitted from S1 and S2, and you want to find the furthest point P at which the light interferes destructively. S1 and S2 are separated by a few micrometers, and the answer was also on the scale of micrometers. But, I don't see why the light can't interfere beyond P. I mean, if you draw concentric circles representing the wavefront around each of the points S1 and S2, then it seems the wavefronts still intersect each other in various ways in all directions, including all along x axis...
 
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should i post this in the homework section? is this why no one is answering me?
 
I suppose you should show your solution based on formulas. The answer will emerge from there.

However, if you just want to understand why there is some maximum distance, think about what happens with the path difference when the point P moves towards +∞.
Increases, decreases?
In order to get completely destructive interference, the path difference must be at least half wavelength.
 
nasu said:
I suppose you should show your solution based on formulas. The answer will emerge from there.

However, if you just want to understand why there is some maximum distance, think about what happens with the path difference when the point P moves towards +∞.
Increases, decreases?
In order to get completely destructive interference, the path difference must be at least half wavelength.

The path difference would then decrease.
My solution was:
dsinθ = (m+0.5)λ
x2+d2 = (x + dsinθ)2
Combining these two equations and solving for x gives
x = \frac{d^{2}-\lambda^{2}(m+0.5)^{2}}{2λ(m+0.5)}
(where d is the distance between the points emitting the light, dsinθ is path difference, x is the furthest point)

So just looking at the formula I know the furthest point is when the path difference is 0.5 wavelengths, but I am having trouble visually seeing how the light waves behave after this point. Like I said, if you draw concentric spheres around each of the points in accordance with Hyugen's principle, it seems that the waves continue to interfere forever

Also, isn't this basically the same thing as the double slit experiment, with the two point sources acting as if they just can through a slit? In deriving the formula for this experiment it is assumed that the screen on which the interference takes place is infinitely far away...and in either case, in this particular problem, the separation d was a few micrometers and the furthest point was also a few micrometers, but when you actually do the experiment, you get bright/dark spots a meter away and more...
 
The question is about points along that given line.
Nobody said that there is no more interference or that a screen at a larger distance will not catch the interference pattern.

If you are familiar with double slit interference you have a good starting point.
The problem proposed is equivalent with a a double slit setup. Just put a screen parallel to the line S1S2 and passing through P. The requirement is to have a minimum at a distance of d/2 from the center. If you move the screen farther from P, the first minimum won't disappear from the screen but will be farther from the center so not on the S1P line anymore.
 

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