Gases and thermodynamics in confinement.

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the behavior of gases in a confined space, specifically a plenum with a restricted outlet, under conditions of constant heating. Participants explore the relationship between temperature, pressure, and gas expansion in this context.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that a hotter plenum should increase gas pressure due to the confinement caused by the restricted outlet.
  • Another participant argues that the hotter gas is not free to expand, leading to an increase in pressure and potentially pushing more gas out of the outlet.
  • A further reply questions the initial claim by stating that if the heat causes more gas to be displaced out of the outlet, this could imply that the gas is expanding, which would decrease the density in the plenum.
  • There is a call for more engagement in the discussion, indicating a perceived lack of responses from knowledgeable participants.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between temperature, pressure, and gas expansion in the plenum. No consensus is reached, and the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants do not clarify the assumptions regarding the behavior of gases under confinement or the specific conditions affecting pressure and density in this scenario.

Juval
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Hi.

Consider a plenum with a small restricting outlet.
Highly heated gas constantly flows through the plenum, and a build-up, or congestion of high-pressure gas exists in the plenum due to the restricting outlet pipe.
The intake flow of gas does not change.

1. A hotter plenum should increase the gas pressure since there is a small amount of
confinement due to the restricted outlet.

2. But, the hotter gas expands more, decreasing pressure/density.

Which of these is true?
 
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No, the hotter gas is not free to expand, therefore, pressure increases and possibly pushes more gas out of the restricting outlet and/or starts offering increased opposition to whatever is feeding this plenum
 
gsal said:
No, the hotter gas is not free to expand, therefore, pressure increases and possibly pushes more gas out of the restricting outlet and/or starts offering increased opposition to whatever is feeding this plenum

But look at what you're saying. "therefore, pressure increases", and, "pushes more gas out of the restricting outlet."

If the heat causes more gas to be displaced out of the outlet (remembering that incoming gas flow does not change), the extra gas being displaced is just another way of saying that the gas is expanding, as in example 2.

And would this expansion not mean that the congestion in the plenum becomes less dense since more gas is going out without more gas being put in?
 
Is this a very hard question? Where are all the brains in here??
 

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