Gauge Transform: What Conditions Do We Need for $\psi$?

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The discussion centers on the gauge transformations in electromagnetism, particularly how the vector potential A and scalar potential V can be modified without altering the physical electromagnetic fields. It explains that the transformation A → A + ∇ψ and V → V - ∂ψ/∂t maintains gauge invariance, allowing for consistent definitions of the electric field E. The relationship between the electric field and potentials is clarified, showing that E can be expressed as E = -∇V - ∂A/∂t. The importance of gauge freedom is emphasized, indicating that different choices of potentials can yield the same physical results. Overall, the conversation highlights the mathematical framework that supports the consistency of electromagnetic theory under gauge transformations.
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I understand ##\vec A\rightarrow\vec A+\nabla \psi\;## as ##\;\nabla \times \nabla \psi=0##\Rightarrow\;\nabla\times(\vec A+\nabla \psi)=\nabla\times\vec A

But what is the reason for
V\;\rightarrow\;V+\frac{\partial \psi}{\partial t}

What is the condition of ##\psi## so

\nabla \left(V+\frac{\partial \psi}{\partial t}\right)=\nabla V

Thanks
 
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Recall Faraday's law:

$$ \nabla \times \vec{E} = - \frac{\partial \vec{B}}{\partial t} = - \frac{\partial}{\partial t}\left( \nabla \times \vec{A} \right)$$

So it's tempting to make the definition

$$ \vec{E} = - \frac{\partial \vec{A}}{\partial t} $$

but now we make your transformation

$$ \vec A\rightarrow\vec A+\nabla \psi\ $$
$$ \vec{E} \rightarrow \vec{E} - \frac{\partial \nabla \psi}{\partial t} $$

so the electric field now fails to be gauge invariant. So we introduce another gauge-dependent parameter to "fix" this:

$$ V\;\rightarrow\;V-\frac{\partial \psi}{\partial t} $$

and change our definition of E

$$ \vec{E} = - \frac{\partial \vec{A}}{\partial t} - \nabla V $$

Now the electric and magnetic fields are gauge invariant, as required.
 
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From
$$ \vec{E} \rightarrow \vec{E} - \frac{\partial \nabla \psi}{\partial t} $$
$$ V\;\rightarrow\;V-\frac{\partial \psi}{\partial t} $$
How do you get to
$$ \vec{E} = - \frac{\partial \vec{A}}{\partial t} - \nabla V $$
Thanks
 
Given a vector potential ##A##, we can write Faraday's law as ##\nabla \times (E + \partial_{t}A) = 0##. Now it is a fundamental result of differential topology that a curl free vector field in a 'nice enough region' (I'll spare you the details of what 'nice enough region' means) can be written as the gradient of some smooth scalar field ##V## i.e. ##E + \partial_{t}A = -\nabla V##; ##V## is of course the scalar potential. Hence the electric field can be written as ##E = -\nabla V - \partial_{t}A##.

Now there is a gauge freedom in the potential fields. Notice that if we define a new vector and scalar potential by ##A' = A + \alpha, V' = V + \beta##, where ##\alpha## is a vector field and ##\beta## a scalar field, such that the new pair gives us the same physical electromagnetic field then we must have that ##\nabla \times \alpha = 0## and ##\nabla \beta + \partial_{t}\alpha = 0##. The first condition implies that ##\alpha = \nabla \lambda## for some smooth scalar field ##\lambda##. The second condition consequently says that ##\nabla(\beta + \partial_{t}\lambda) = 0## meaning that the expression in the parenthesis is only a function of time ##\beta + \partial_{t}\lambda = \gamma(t)## i.e. ##\beta =- \partial_{t}\lambda ## where we have absorbed ##\gamma(t)## into ##\lambda##.

In other words, we can make a gauge transformation of the form ##A \rightarrow A + \nabla \lambda , V\rightarrow V - \partial_{t}\lambda## and still get the same physical electromagnetic field.
 
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What is the meaning of Gauge? What is Gauge freedom, Gauge invariant?
 
Hi. In the above context, a gauge is just a particular choice of ##A,V##. The potential fields have a gauge freedom in the sense that any two gauges ##A,V## and ##A',V'## such that ##A' = A + \nabla \lambda## and ##V' = V - \partial_{t}\lambda##, will result in the same physical EM field. A gauge invariant quantity is one that does not depend on the choice of gauge.
 
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WannabeNewton said:
Given a vector potential ##A##, we can write Faraday's law as ##\nabla \times (E + \partial_{t}A) = 0##. Now it is a fundamental result of differential topology that a curl free vector field in a 'nice enough region' (I'll spare you the details of what 'nice enough region' means) can be written as the gradient of some smooth scalar field ##V## i.e. ##E + \partial_{t}A = -\nabla V##; ##V## is of course the scalar potential. Hence the electric field can be written as ##E = -\nabla V - \partial_{t}A##.

Now there is a gauge freedom in the potential fields. Notice that if we define a new vector and scalar potential by ##A' = A + \alpha, V' = V + \beta##, where ##\alpha## is a vector field and ##\beta## a scalar field, such that the new pair gives us the same physical electromagnetic field then we must have that ##\nabla \times \alpha = 0## and ##\nabla \beta + \partial_{t}\alpha = 0##. The first condition implies that ##\alpha = \nabla \lambda## for some smooth scalar field ##\lambda##. The second condition consequently says that ##\nabla(\beta + \partial_{t}\lambda) = 0## meaning that the expression in the parenthesis is only a function of time ##\beta + \partial_{t}\lambda = \gamma(t)## i.e. ##\beta =- \partial_{t}\lambda ## where we have absorbed ##\gamma(t)## into ##\lambda##.

Thanks for the detail reply

In other words, we can make a gauge transformation of the form ##A \rightarrow A + \nabla \lambda , V\rightarrow V - \partial_{t}\lambda## and still get the same physical electromagnetic field.

Do you mean ##\beta## is a function of time ONLY where we let ##\beta=-\frac{\partial \lambda}{\partial t}##. Since ##\beta## is a time function ONLY, ##\nabla \beta=0##?

Am I understanding this correctly?

So for ##\nabla \lambda\;\neq\;0\;and\;\beta=\frac{\partial\lambda}{\partial t}##, then ##\lambda=f(x,y,z)+g(t)## so ##\nabla \lambda=\nabla (f(x,y,z)),\; \beta=\frac{d g(t)}{d t}##

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Nono I'm saying that since ##\nabla (\beta + \partial_{t} \lambda) = 0##, all of ##\beta + \partial_{t} \lambda## is a function of time only i.e. ##\beta + \partial_t \lambda = \gamma(t)## hence ##\beta = \partial_{t}\lambda - \gamma(t)##. Then I just absorbed ##\gamma(t)## into ##\lambda## i.e. I defined a new ##\lambda'## by ##\lambda' = \lambda + \int _{0}^{t}\gamma(t')dt'## then ##-\partial_{t}\lambda = -\partial_{t}\lambda'-\gamma(t)\Rightarrow \beta = -\partial_{t}\lambda'##.
 
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Nono I'm saying that since ##\nabla (\beta + \partial_{t} \lambda) = 0##, all of ##\beta + \partial_{t} \lambda## is a function of time only i.e. ##\beta + \partial_t \lambda = \gamma(t)## hence ##\beta = \partial_{t}\lambda - \gamma(t)##. Then I just absorbed ##\gamma(t)## into ##\lambda## i.e. I defined a new ##\lambda'## by ##\lambda' = \lambda + \int _{0}^{t}\gamma(t')dt'## then ##-\partial_{t}\lambda = -\partial_{t}\lambda'-\gamma(t)\Rightarrow \beta = -\partial_{t}\lambda'##.

I got it, I mistakenly thinking ##\nabla \times \vec \alpha=0\;\Rightarrow\; \vec \alpha## is position independent. But actually it only means ##\vec \alpha## is irrotational, but it can still be a function of 3 space coordinates.

Thanks
 
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The electromagnetic field in terms of the four-potential reads (using Heaviside-Lorentz units with c=1)
\vec{E}=-\vec{\nabla} \Phi-\partial_t \vec{A}, \quad \vec{B}=\vec{\nabla} \times \vec{A}.
From the second equation we see that the magnetic components don't change, if I use
\vec{A}'=\vec{A}-\vec{\nabla} \chi
with an arbitrary scalar field \chi instead of \vec{A} as vector potential. Now we look for a scalar potential \Phi' such that
\vec{E}=-\vec{\nabla} \Phi'-\partial_t \vec{A}'=-\vec{\nabla} (\Phi' -\partial_t \chi)-\partial_t \vec{A}.
The expression in the parentheses must be \Phi, and thus
\Phi'=\Phi+\partial_t \chi.
Thus the gauge transformation of the potentials must be
\Phi'=\Phi+\partial_t \chi, \quad \vec{A}'=\vec{A}-\vec{\nabla} \chi.
 
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