Gauss-Bonnet term extrinsic curvature

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of the extrinsic curvature associated with the Gauss-Bonnet term in the context of General Relativity. Participants explore the implications of using different Lagrangians, particularly focusing on how to derive the extrinsic curvature when varying the action with respect to the metric. The scope includes theoretical aspects of differential geometry and mathematical reasoning related to curvature in higher-dimensional spacetimes.

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  • One participant inquires about standard methods for calculating the extrinsic curvature K when using the Gauss-Bonnet term in the Lagrangian.
  • Another participant clarifies that the extrinsic curvature K is the trace of the second fundamental form, introducing the concept of a hybrid quantity that transforms between the outer manifold and the submanifold.
  • A different participant defines the second fundamental form as the covariant derivative of the normal vector field to the hypersurface, suggesting it measures the variation of the normal field across the surface.
  • One participant acknowledges a misunderstanding of the original question, indicating that the inquiry is about the extrinsic curvature for a different Lagrangian rather than the calculation method itself.
  • Another participant elaborates on the variation of the action with respect to a general Lagrangian, discussing how to express the variation in terms of surface terms and the extrinsic curvature.
  • A later reply provides a specific action involving the Gauss-Bonnet term and expresses a desire to learn the procedure for calculating the extrinsic curvature and related quantities from the boundary term.

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Participants express varying interpretations of the extrinsic curvature and its calculation, indicating that multiple competing views remain. The discussion does not reach a consensus on a single method or definition.

Contextual Notes

Some participants reference specific mathematical forms and operations, such as the Lie derivative and the induced metric, but the discussion contains unresolved assumptions about the applicability of these methods to different Lagrangians.

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Gauss-Bonnet term extrinsic curvature calculations?

In General Relativity if one wants to calculate the field equation with surface term, must use this equation:
S=\frac{1}{16\pi G}\int\sqrt{-g} R d^{4} x+\frac{1}{8\pi G}\int\sqrt{-h} K d^{3} x
The second term is so-called Gibbons-Hawking boundary term and K is extrinsic curvature.
If one is about to use another Lagrangian, for instance Gauss-Bonnet term, must calculate the new extrinsic curvature, K, associated with this new Lagrangian.
I want to know is there a standard method for calculating K?
I would be grateful if anybody can help me in learning this procedure. Please introduce references if you know some.
 
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According to Wikipedia, what Gibbons-Hawking-York call "extrinsic curvature K" is the trace of the second fundmental form. Nonstandard terminology! But if this is correct, I can answer your question.

To describe a surface embedded in a larger manifold you need two sets of coordinates, hence two types of indices. Let xi be the coordinates in the outer manifold and uα coordinates in the submanifold, the surface. A basic quantity that transforms between them is

xiα = ∂xi/∂uα

This is a hybrid quantity, sometimes called a bitensor, with both kinds of indices present. The covariant derivative of such an object requires both kinds of Christoffel symbols,

xiα;β = ∂2xi/∂uα∂uβ + (outer)Γijkxjxk - (inner)Γδαβxiδ

It's easy to convince oneself that xiα;β represents a set of vectors orthonormal to the surface. Hence there must exist a surface tensor bαβ such that

xiα;β = bαβni

where ni is the normal vector. bαβ is called the second fundamental form.

The curvature you are after is the trace of bαβ.
 
The second fundamental form was defined to me as the vector-valued one-form (on the tangent bundle to the hypersurface) \nabla n where n is the normal vector field to the hypersurface in question, and the nabla operator is the covariant derivative operator on your manifold (restricted to directions in the hypersurface obviously). In this way, the second fundamental form (which is also sometimes called the extrinsic curvature!) measures the amount by which the normal field varies from point to point on the hypersurface.

Alternatively, the second fundamental form can be found, after some calculation, to be:
K=\frac{1}{2} L_n g'

Where L is the Lie derivative, and g' is the induced 3-metric on the hypersurface.

This equation is the one found in Wald.
 
Sorry sourena, I think I misunderstood your question! You're not asking, "How do I calculate the extrinsic curvature", you're asking, "What if the Lagrangian is something else besides R, then what will K be?".

I don't have an immediate answer, but here are some thoughts. For a general Lagrangian L which is a function of fields φ and their derivatives φμ,

δL = (∂L/∂φ)δφ + (∂L/φμ)δφμ

When we vary the action W = ∫L d4x,

δW = ∫δL d4x = ∫((∂L/∂φ)δφ + (∂L/φμ)δφμ)d4x

we need to integrate the second term by parts:

δW = ∫((∂L/∂φ - ∂μ(∂L/φμ) )δφ d4x + ∫∂μ((∂L/φμ)δφ)d4x

and write the total divergence as a surface term:

∫((∂L/φμ)δφ) d∑μ

What you want then is to find a K that produces this, i.e. such that

δK/δφ = (∂L/φμ)δφ nμ

where nμ is the normal to the surface.

Is this getting warm, do you think?

(For relativity, L = R and φ = gμν)
 
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Dear Bill_K and Matterwave

First of all, thank you so much for your time and attention. I value it a great deal.

Yes Bill_k, this is what I want to do. To be more precise I'm going to explain what exactly I want:

Consider the action

SM=(1/2k2)\int d^{D}x\sqrt{-g}{R-2\Lambda+\alpha LGB}

where LGB=R2-4 RabRab+RabcdRabcd

Varying the action with respect to metric gives

\deltaSM=(1/2k2)\int d^{D}x\sqrt{-g}\deltagab(Gab+\Lambdagab+2\alphaHab)-(1/k2)\int d^{D-1}x\sqrt{-h}na(ga[cgd]b+2\alphaPabcd)\nablad\deltagbc,

where hab=gab-nanb is induced metric,

Pabcd=Rabcd+2Rb[cgd]a-2Ra[cgd]b+Rga[cgd]b,

and Hab=RRab-2RacRcb-2RcdRabcd+RacdeRbcde-(1/4)(R2-4RcdRcd+RcdesRcdes) the Lovelock tensor.

From the second term in \deltaSM one is able to calculate the following action

S\Sigma=\int d^{D-1}x\sqrt{-h}(K+2\alpha{J-2\hat{G}abKab})

Please look at the following paper, page 2

http://arxiv.org/abs/hep-th/0208205

I want to learn the procedure by which I can calculate the extrinsic curvature, J and so forth from the boundary term.

I hope I could explain what exactly I want.
 

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