Gauss' law in differential form

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The discussion revolves around the differential form of Gauss' law in electromagnetism, specifically the expression for the divergence of the electric field and its relation to charge density. Participants are examining the differences between various unit systems, particularly the cgs and SI systems, and their implications for the formulation of physical laws.

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  • Participants are questioning the reasons behind the different forms of Gauss' law in various unit systems, particularly the presence of the factor of 4π. There is also a discussion about the necessity of multiple unit systems for electromagnetism and the historical context of these choices.

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The conversation is exploring the implications of using different unit systems, with some participants providing insights into the preferences of theoretical physicists versus practical applications. There is a recognition of the trade-offs involved in choosing between cgs and SI units, though no consensus has been reached on the best approach.

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Participants mention the historical and political aspects of unit systems, as well as the challenges posed by the lack of a separate unit for charge in the cgs system. The discussion reflects a variety of perspectives on the utility and clarity of different unit conventions in physics.

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My book claims that the diff. form of Gauss' law is
$$\nabla\cdot\mathbf E=4\pi\rho$$
Can someone tell me why it isn't ##\nabla\cdot\mathbf E=\rho/\epsilon_0##?
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I'm sure @TSny would go into more detail but trust me you do not wish to do that and he has chosen not to. Just get used to different factors of 4pi and epsilon and mu in equations and understand there is no problem. The pictures in your head should not depend upon these details.
 
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hutchphd said:
I'm sure @TSny would go into more detail but trust me you do not wish to do that and he has chosen not to. Just get used to different factors of 4pi and epsilon and mu in equations and understand there is no problem. The pictures in your head should not depend upon these details.
Thanks. But why do we need two sets of units for EM? Doesn't SI suffice all of our needs?
 
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Leo Liu said:
Thanks. But why do we need two sets of units for EM? Doesn't SI suffice all of our needs?
You could use SI for everything. It is not always handy though.
 
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Both systems have their pluses and minuses.
Conventionally, theoretical physics, especially particle physicists, tend to go with cgs. But today there seems to be a strong trend to go rationalized mks, aka SI. Personally I won't deal with cgs though that is what I had to deal with in my own introductory physics course. A long time ago, thank goodness.

One thing I don't like about cgs is that it has no separate unit for charge Q. For an EE like myself that is unacceptable. I'll let the particle physicists defend cgs.

Of course, the presence/absence of Q is a tradeoff of sorts. In general, increasing the number of characters in a vocabulary shortens the text but at the expense of extra characters in the "alphabet". Cf. English vs. Chinese.

Another example is avoidance of extra parameters even within a given system. Some teachers prefer a minimum of parameters, others like abbreviated text. E.g. you can avoid ## \bf D ## and ## \bf H ## since ## \bf D = \epsilon \bf E ## and ## \bf B = \mu \bf H ## but personally I find that awkward. Clutters the Maxwell equations, for example. Richard Feynman even avoids using ## \mu ##, sticking to ## c ## and ## \epsilon ##. If you're SI it makes his cgs-based Lectures hard to follow at times.

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