Gaussian Elimination: Translating text into equations

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around a homework problem involving Gaussian Elimination, where the original poster is tasked with translating a block of text about the ages of four individuals into equations to form an augmented matrix. The problem includes several conditions regarding their ages, leading to a system of equations with four unknowns.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to derive equations from the given information but finds they can only formulate three equations for four unknowns. They express confusion about how to extract a fourth equation from the conditions provided.
  • Some participants question the implications of the relationships between the ages, particularly regarding the future ages of Bea and Ann when Claire reaches Dawn's current age.
  • Others suggest reconsidering the relationship between Claire and Bea's ages and how it relates to Ann's age.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing hints and guidance to help the original poster identify the missing equation. There is an acknowledgment of the complexity of the relationships involved, and while some potential equations have been identified, a clear consensus on the complete set of equations has not yet been reached.

Contextual Notes

The original poster notes that they have derived four equations but are struggling to reconcile them with the conditions stated in the problem. There is an emphasis on the need for a fourth equation to resolve the system fully.

Matty R
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Hello :smile:

I have a homework question regarding Gaussian Elimination, where I am supposed to use information in a block of text to get equations, and form an augmented matrix.

There are 4 unknowns, but I can only seem to get 3 equations and 3 "checks", to see if the values I get are correct.

Could anyone help me please?

I'm fine with Gaussian Elimination itself. I'm just having trouble translating the information into equations.

Homework Statement



Ann, Bea, Claire and Dawn have joint birthdays.
The sum of their ages is exactly 100 years.
The sum of Ann's and Dawn's ages is the same as the sum of Bea's and Claire's.
The difference between the ages of Claire and Bea is twice Ann's age.
When Claire is as old as Dawn is now, Bea will be twice as old as Ann currently is.
Claire is older than Bea.
How old is each person?

Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution



a + b + c + d = 100

a + d = b + c

a - b - c + d = 0

2a = c - b

2a + b - c = 0

c = d \Rightarrow b = 2a

c > b

I end up with 4 unknowns in three equations, and apparently that means there are infinite solutions. I've been told a set of answers, and they fit all of the equations I've worked out, along with the "checks". I just can't seem to work out the fourth equation.

I'd be grateful for any and all help. :smile:

Thanks
 
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Hello Matty R! :smile:
Matty R said:
When Claire is as old as Dawn is now, Bea will be twice as old as Ann currently is.
Claire is older than Bea.

c = d \Rightarrow b = 2a

No, that doesn't mean anything, does it? :redface:

Hint: what will Bea's age be when Claire is as old as Dawn is now? :wink:
 
Matty R said:
Hello :smile:

I have a homework question regarding Gaussian Elimination, where I am supposed to use information in a block of text to get equations, and form an augmented matrix.

There are 4 unknowns, but I can only seem to get 3 equations and 3 "checks", to see if the values I get are correct.

Could anyone help me please?

I'm fine with Gaussian Elimination itself. I'm just having trouble translating the information into equations.

Homework Statement



Ann, Bea, Claire and Dawn have joint birthdays.
The sum of their ages is exactly 100 years.
The sum of Ann's and Dawn's ages is the same as the sum of Bea's and Claire's.
The difference between the ages of Claire and Bea is twice Ann's age.
When Claire is as old as Dawn is now, Bea will be twice as old as Ann currently is.
Claire is older than Bea.
How old is each person?

Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution



a + b + c + d = 100

a + d = b + c

a - b - c + d = 0

2a = c - b

2a + b - c = 0

c = d \Rightarrow b = 2a

c > b
"When Claire is as old as Dawn is now, Bea will be twice as old as Ann currently is.
Claire is older than Bea."
Claire will be as old as Dawn is now in d- c years. Bea's age then will be b+ (d- c) and that will be twice Ann's current age: b+ d- c= 2a or 2a- b+ c- d= 0.


I end up with 4 unknowns in three equations, and apparently that means there are infinite solutions. I've been told a set of answers, and they fit all of the equations I've worked out, along with the "checks". I just can't seem to work out the fourth equation.

I'd be grateful for any and all help. :smile:

Thanks
You have four equations:
The sum of their ages is exactly 100 years.
a+ b+ c+ d= 100

The sum of Ann's and Dawn's ages is the same as the sum of Bea's and Claire's.
a- b- c+ d= 0

The difference between the ages of Claire and Bea is twice Ann's age.
2a+ b- c= 0
("Claire is older than Bea" tells you that the difference between the ages of Claire and Bea is c- b, not b- c).

When Claire is as old as Dawn is now, Bea will be twice as old as Ann currently is.
2a- b+ c- d= 0
 
Thanks for the replies. :smile:

tiny-tim said:
Hello Matty R! :smile:

No, that doesn't mean anything, does it? :redface:

Hint: what will Bea's age be when Claire is as old as Dawn is now? :wink:

HallsofIvy said:
"When Claire is as old as Dawn is now, Bea will be twice as old as Ann currently is.
Claire is older than Bea."
Claire will be as old as Dawn is now in d- c years. Bea's age then will be b+ (d- c) and that will be twice Ann's current age: b+ d- c= 2a or 2a- b+ c- d= 0.

I'd never have got that. I completely see how to get it now, but I just couldn't understand it before.

I did get the set of answers I'd been told about.

Thanks again. :smile:
 

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