Gel electrophoresis - eco r1 digest with lambda

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The discussion revolves around the visibility of DNA fragments in an Eco R1 digest of lambda on a 0.8% agarose gel, specifically addressing the discrepancy between the expected six fragments and the observed five bands. The scope includes experimental observations and technical explanations related to gel electrophoresis.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why there are only five bands visible when six fragments are expected, suggesting that the 21.2 kbp fragment may be too large to migrate effectively on the gel.
  • Another participant proposes several possibilities for the missing band, including incomplete digestion, incorrect gel running time, insufficient ethidium bromide, or faint bands that are hard to detect.
  • A third participant notes that larger fragments typically incorporate more ethidium bromide and mentions that a 21.2 kb fragment is near the upper limit of resolution for a 0.8% agarose gel, suggesting that a marker of relevant size should be run for comparison.
  • A later reply clarifies that the missing band is not the 21.2 kbp fragment, but rather due to two fragments (5.6 kb and 5.8 kb) migrating similarly and appearing as one band on the gel.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the reasons for the missing band, with no consensus on the exact cause. Some agree that the similar sizes of two fragments could lead to their indistinguishable appearance, while others suggest various technical issues could also be at play.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention limitations related to gel resolution and the quality of agarose, as well as the potential effects of running conditions on band visibility. There is an acknowledgment of the challenges in resolving bands of similar sizes.

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This discussion may be useful for researchers and students involved in molecular biology techniques, particularly those working with gel electrophoresis and DNA fragment analysis.

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just want to know why if there are six fragments present in an Eco R1 digest of lambda then why are there only five bands visible on a .8% agarose gel? so where have the 21.2 kbp gone? is it to big to migrate therefore has not show up on the gel? can someone explain to me please? thankyou
 
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A few possibilities come immediately to mind, but no way for me to know if any of them are what happened in your case. You may have gotten an incomplete digestion, you might have run the gel too long or too short of a time so either ran a band off the end or didn't get full resolution of all the bands, you might have had insufficient ethidium bromide, or it wasn't uniformly mixed through your gel, so couldn't detect a band, or your band might have been too faint to see.
 
Larger fragments are usually easier to see (more EtBr incorporation). However, 21.2 kb is pushing a 0.8% agarose gel. As a rule of thumb, the maximum resolution to be expected for a 0.8% gel is around 0.5-5 kb. Did you run a marker with a relevant size?Also consider that the overall gel size is also an issue. In mini-gels it is kinda tricky to resolve that size.
If the agarose is of good quality you can try to go down to 0.6%.
 
hey thanks for ur posts. i understand now the 21.2 kbp is not the missing one. its becasue in an ecor1 digest of lambda it produce 6 fragments two of which are alomost the same length i.e the 5.6 and 5.8 kbp therefore we can only see 5 bands not 6 becasue the have migrated at the same pace to almost the same place donw the gel resulting in oine large band hard to tell that dere is actually two bands. thanks heaps newase
 

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