General question on multivariate calculus

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The discussion revolves around the implications of a multivariable function f(u,v,w) equating to zero, particularly in relation to its derivatives with respect to time t and its partial derivatives with respect to its variables u, v, and w. The scope includes theoretical aspects of multivariate calculus and the behavior of functions under variable transformations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether f(u,v,w) = 0 implies df/dt = 0 or df/du = 0, or both.
  • Another participant clarifies that df/dt = 0 does not necessarily mean that the partial derivatives with respect to u, v, and w are also zero, providing the chain rule for differentiation as context.
  • A third participant asserts that if F(x, y, z) = 0 for all x, y, and z, then all partial derivatives must be zero, leading to dF/dt = 0 regardless of how x, y, and z change with respect to t.
  • This participant also notes that if dF/dt = 0 for some t, it does not imply that the partial derivatives are zero.
  • Another participant points out potential ambiguity in the original question, questioning whether f(u,v,w) = 0 is true for all (u,v,w) or just for all t.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of f(u,v,w) = 0 and its relationship to derivatives. There is no consensus on whether the conditions imply that all partial derivatives must be zero or if the relationship holds only under specific circumstances.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions about the continuity of partial derivatives and the differentiability of the functions involved, which remain unresolved in the discussion.

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Just started multivariate course, can't figure out this simple question. If f(u,v,w) is a function of 3 variables. And u, v and w are themselves function of t. Then does f(u,v,w)=0 implies df/dt=0 or df/du=0. or both.
 
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df/dt = 0, the partials with respect to u, v, w may not be.
df/dt = (∂f/∂u)du/dt + (∂f/∂v)dv/dt + (∂f/∂w)dw/dt.
 
If, as you wrote, F(x, y, z)= 0 for all x, y, and z, it is constant no matter how x, y, and z are changed and all partial derivatives are 0. With x, y, and z functions of t, no matter how t changes, that simply results in x, y, and z changing so F remains constant. dF/dt= 0.

(This is NOT the question mathman answered. He appears to be thinking you were asking about the derivative being 0, not "f(u,v,w)=0".

As long as F(x, y, z) has continuous partial derivtives, and x, y, and z are differentiable functions of t,
\frac{dF}{dt}= \frac{\partial F}{\partial x}\frac{dx}{dt}+ \frac{\partial F}{\partial y}\frac{dy}{dt}+ \frac{\partial F}{\partial z}\frac{dz}{dt}
so that if all partial derivatives of F, with respect to x, y, and z, the dF/dt= 0 for any parameter, t. But if dF/dt= 0 for some t, it does NOT follow that the partial derivatives are 0.)
 
There seems to be some ambiguity in the question... is f(u,v,w) = 0 for all (u,v,w) or just for all t?
 

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