General relativity and jet travel makes you fat?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the effects of special and general relativity on time dilation and mass as experienced during jet travel. Participants explore the implications of flying at high speeds, particularly focusing on how time passes differently for individuals in motion compared to those at rest, and whether this affects perceived weight or mass.

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  • Exploratory
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  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that time slows down at high speeds, referencing the time dilation factor from special relativity.
  • Another participant argues that from the frame of reference within the plane, there is no increase in mass for the pilot or flight attendant, regardless of speed.
  • A participant proposes a connection between time dilation and caloric consumption, hinting at a relationship between physics and everyday life.
  • There is a discussion about the mathematical application of the time dilation factor and its implications for the flight attendant's weight relative to stationary observers.
  • Another participant introduces a thought experiment involving an identical twin left behind, questioning how aging and energy expenditure relate to perceived mass differences upon reuniting.
  • Some participants clarify that while time dilation affects aging, it does not result in an increase in mass upon landing.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between time dilation and mass. While some assert that mass remains unchanged regardless of speed, others suggest that time effects could imply differences in mass relative to stationary observers. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing views.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference specific equations related to time dilation and the speed of light, but there are indications of confusion regarding their application. The discussion includes assumptions about frames of reference and the nature of mass that are not fully explored.

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Hi everyone!
I'm a pilot on a private jet, in conversation one of the crew mentioned that "You get younger when flying." Now I had to correct him saying that actually it's just that time slows down as you go faster. Unfortunately for the flight attendant, going faster also means that she puts on weight! So here's a conundrum for you guys:

At 500 knots (257 m/s) how much slower does time pass (relative to when we're stationary and how much more does my 50kg flight attendant weigh?

Yes, I know it's a ridiculous question, but I'm intrigued. Thanks for any answers!
 
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I think that your interested in effects due to special relativity. The appropriate factor is

\frac{1}{\sqrt{1 - \frac{v^2}{c^2}}},

where c is the speed of light. In this case, it is

1.000 000 000 000 37

There is a altitude effect due to general relativity.
 
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From your frame of reference in the plane, you and your flight attendant have no increase in mass. When you slow down and land neither of you will have any more mass or wieght than you did when you first started.
 
I suppose you could relate the time dilation factor to the number of calories the flight attendant consumes/burns per year...
 
Hi Guys, thanks for the answers.
George:
I used your equation, if "V" is in meters per second, I get a square root of a minus number so I used a bit of poetic license to deduce that the "V" should be a factor relative to the speed of light (257 m/s / 299792458 m/s) is that right?
If so, the outcome of the equation is 1.00000000000037. Which sounds like a reasonable number (a very small factor). So am I right that the flight attendant is 1.00000000000037 times lighter relative to stationary people?
Do you have a similar equation for time? Since the process of ageing is only relative to her frame of reference, when she lands, she will have experienced slower ageing than the "stationary" world.
 
russ_watters said:
I suppose you could relate the time dilation factor to the number of calories the flight attendant consumes/burns per year...


Now that's clever ;)
 
Drakkith said:
From your frame of reference in the plane, you and your flight attendant have no increase in mass. When you slow down and land neither of you will have any more mass or wieght than you did when you first started.
How does that happen.Lets say you had an identical twin who was left behind.You both weighed the same at take off and you both wore the same type of watch set to the same time for demonstration purposes.
You on the plane ages less and your watch ticks at a slower rate.
When you land you and your watch have expended less energy than your identical twin on the ground you won't have any more mass than when you first started but you will have more mass than your twin.
 
Buckleymanor said:
How does that happen.Lets say you had an identical twin who was left behind.You both weighed the same at take off and you both wore the same type of watch set to the same time for demonstration purposes.
You on the plane ages less and your watch ticks at a slower rate.
When you land you and your watch have expended less energy than your identical twin on the ground you won't have any more mass than when you first started but you will have more mass than your twin.

You are correct. However there is no additional mass added to yourself after you stop and land. The only difference in mass would be because of time effects, not velocity.
 

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