General relativity- Coordinate/metric transformations

Click For Summary

Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around finding a coordinate system that transforms a given metric in general relativity into a simpler form. The original poster presents two metrics and seeks to establish a relationship between the coordinates through transformations.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the use of general coordinate transformations and the resulting equations for the new metric. There are attempts to derive partial differential equations from the transformation, and some participants express concern about the complexity of these equations.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing exploration of the transformation process, with participants sharing insights on writing out the transformation equations and considering alternative approaches. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of inverse transformations and notation for partial derivatives.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the challenge posed by the complexity of the differential equations derived from the transformation, indicating a potential barrier to progress. The discussion also highlights the need for clarity in notation and the importance of understanding the underlying mathematical relationships.

jgarrel
Messages
2
Reaction score
0

Homework Statement


Consider the metric ds2=(u2-v2)(du2 -dv2). I have to find a coordinate system (t,x), such that ds2=dt2-dx2. The same for the metric: ds2=dv2-v2du2.

Homework Equations


General coordinate transformation, ds2=gabdxadxb

The Attempt at a Solution


I started with a general transformation xa→x'a so the new metric is g'μν=gab(dxa/dx'μ)(dxb/dx'ν). The components of g (old metric) and g'(new metric) are known and the unknowns are the derivatives of the old coordinates with respect to the new ones. That's where I'm stuck.
 
Physics news on Phys.org
jgarrel said:
I started with a general transformation xa→x'a so the new metric is g'μν=gab(dxa/dx'μ)(dxb/dx'ν).
Those derivatives should be partial derivatives. Write it in latex like this: $$g'_{\mu\nu} ~=~ g_{ab}\, \frac{\partial x^a}{\partial x'^\mu} \, \frac{\partial x^b}{\partial x'^\nu} ~.$$ (Look under the Info->Help/How-To menu to find a Latex primer. You'll need to master at least basic latex on this forum.)

Both metrics are diagonal, which makes it reasonably easy to write out the above transformation equations more explicitly.

I.e., write it out explicitly (where ##\mu,\nu## are ##t,x## and ##a,b## are ##u,v##). You should get 2 partial-differential equations where each right hand side has 2 terms. I'll wait to see if you can get that far before giving more hints.
 
Thanks for the reply!
I already had ended up with these two differential equations, but I thought there was another way, because they seem difficult to solve. I put them here:

##1=(u^2-v^2) \frac {\partial^2 u} {\partial t^2} -(u^2-v^2) \frac {\partial^2 v} {\partial t^2}##

##-1=(u^2-v^2) \frac {\partial^2 u} {\partial x^2} -(u^2-v^2) \frac {\partial^2 v} {\partial x^2}##
 
Try writing out the corresponding PDEs for the inverse transformation first. I.e., treating ##t,x## as functions of ##u,v##. They turn out a bit easier.

Btw, if those partial derivatives become too tedious to keep writing out fully in latex, you can always use the briefer "comma" notation, e.g., $$ \frac{\partial u}{\partial t} ~\equiv~ u,_t ~~;~~~~ \mbox{and}~~~~~~ \frac{\partial^2 u}{\partial t^2} ~\equiv~ u,_{tt} ~~;~~~~ \mbox{(etc)}.$$
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: jgarrel

Similar threads

  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
4K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
2K
  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
3K
  • · Replies 37 ·
2
Replies
37
Views
6K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
3K
  • · Replies 9 ·
Replies
9
Views
3K