General Relativity: Prove symmetry of Einstein tensor

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The discussion revolves around proving the symmetry of the Einstein tensor \( G_{ij} \) in the context of general relativity, utilizing the Riemann tensor identity. Participants are exploring the relationships between the Ricci tensor, Ricci scalar, and the Riemann tensor, as well as the implications of their symmetries.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants are attempting to express the Einstein tensor in terms of the Riemann tensor and are questioning how to effectively link their equations. There is discussion about the symmetry properties of the Ricci tensor and the Riemann tensor, particularly in mixed forms. Some participants express uncertainty about the implications of skew-symmetry and the need to manipulate indices correctly.

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Several participants have provided insights and suggestions on how to approach the problem, including the use of the Riemann tensor identity and the properties of symmetry. There is an ongoing exploration of the relationships between various tensor components, with some participants indicating progress while others express confusion about specific steps.

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Participants are working under the constraints of an exam question, which may limit the time available for exploration and solution development. There is a focus on ensuring that indices are treated correctly in tensor equations, and some participants are revisiting foundational concepts related to Christoffel symbols and metric properties.

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Homework Statement



Show that Gij = Gji using the Riemann tensor identity (below)


Homework Equations



Gij = Rij - 1/2(gijR)

Rabcd + Rbcad + Rcabd = 0

R = gmrRmr

Rmr = Rmnrn

The Attempt at a Solution



I have tried to put the Ricci tensor and Ricci scalar (from the Gij equation) into full Riemann tensor form using the metric. For Gij I get

Rij = Rinjn = gnaRinja

gijR = gia gjb gab R = gia gjb Rab = gia gjb Ranbn = gia gjb gnd Ranbd

So Gij = ( gnaRinja - 1/2 gia gjb gnd Ranbd )

I have done the same for Gji but can't see how to link the two equations using the required Riemann identity. Is this the right approach?
 
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Can you show that the Ricci tensor is symmetric?
 
I know that the Riemann tensor is skew-symmetric in the first and second pair of indexes, when it is in fully covariant form. I'm not sure if that holds when it is in mixed form though?

I know that

Rabcd = -Rbacd and that Rabcd = -Rabdc

But I'm not sure if

Rabcd = -Rbacd and Rabcd = -Rabdc

Looking at the Ricci tensor, in order for Rmr = Rrm I would need

Rmnrn = Rrnmn

And I'm not sure how to swap indices between the first pair and second pair on Riemann. Do I need to go all the way back to the equation for Riemann in terms of Christoffels, and Christoffels from the metric? There must be a quicker way, this is a tiny bit of an exam question that should take 5 minutes!
 
ck99 said:
I know that

Rabcd = -Rbacd and that Rabcd = -Rabdc

But I'm not sure if

Rabcd = -Rbacd

Yes.
ck99 said:
and Rabcd = -Rabdc

No, indices need to have the same upstairs/downstairs locations on the both sides of an equation, i.e., if you raise the d on the left, then then d on the right should be raised. More explicitly,

[tex]R_{abcd} g^{de} = -R_{abdc}g^{de}[/tex]

ck99 said:
Looking at the Ricci tensor, in order for Rmr = Rrm I would need

Rmnrn = Rrnmn

And I'm not sure how to swap indices between the first pair and second pair on Riemann. Do I need to go all the way back to the equation for Riemann in terms of Christoffels, and Christoffels from the metric? There must be a quicker way, this is a tiny bit of an exam question that should take 5 minutes!

Raise the d in each term of

[tex]R_{abcd} + R_{bcad} + R_{cabd} = 0[/tex]

and contract with one of the other indices.
 
George Jones said:
Yes.


No, indices need to have the same upstairs/downstairs locations on the both sides of an equation, i.e., if you raise the d on the left, then then d on the right should be raised. More explicitly,

[tex]R_{abcd} g^{de} = -R_{abdc}g^{de}[/tex]



Raise the d in each term of

[tex]R_{abcd} + R_{bcad} + R_{cabd} = 0[/tex]

and contract with one of the other indices.

Thanks George, that helps a bit but I am still missing something. I tried

gbd(Rabcd + Rbcad + Rcabd) = 0

Rabcb + Rbcab + Rcabb = 0

Rabcb - Rcbab + Rcabb = 0

Rac - Rca + Rcabb = 0

So I would be OK if that last term were to vanish somehow! Can someone suggest where I go from here?
 
ck99 said:
So I would be OK if that last term were to vanish somehow! Can someone suggest where I go from here?

Put the g back in the last term, and look at it more carefully. g is symmetric in b and d, while the last term is antisymmetric in b and d.
 
Sorry for the delay, I had to work on some other stuff. I have tried your suggestion but I'm still not getting this :(

gbd(Rabcd + Rbcad + Rcabd) = 0

Rabcb + Rbcab + gbdRcabd = 0

Rabcb + Rbcab - gdbRcadb = 0

Rabcb - Rcbab - Rcadd = 0

Rac - Rca - Rcadd = 0

I'm not sure how that helps me. Have I done it right?
 
You need to show [itex]R_{cad}{}^d = 0[/itex], i.e, you need to show [itex]g^{db} R_{cadb} = 0[/itex].

g is symmetric in b and d, while [itex]R_{cadb}[/itex] is antisymmetric in b and d. b and d are both dummy indices, and so can be relabeled. Use these facts to show [itex]g^{db} R_{cadb} = 0[/itex].
 
I forgot to thank you for this George, I figured it out in the end (although it didn't come up in my exam!). Your help is much appreciated.
 

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