Generalized Velocity: Lagrangian

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The discussion focuses on the calculation of kinetic energy contributions for two masses in a system, specifically how their velocities are defined relative to different origins. The horizontal kinetic energy for mass M_{x1} is expressed as ##\frac{1}{2}m(\dot{X} - \dot{x_1})^2## due to the direction of motion relative to the defined origin. The participants clarify that the differences in kinetic energy expressions arise from the definitions of generalized coordinates and the relative velocities of the masses. The conversation also touches on the concept of vector addition in defining these coordinates. Understanding these principles is crucial for accurately analyzing the system's dynamics.
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In this example, I know that I can define the horizontal contribution of kinetic energy to the ball as ##\frac{1}{2}m(\dot{x} + \dot{X})^2##.

In the following example,
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Mass ##M_{x1}##'s horizontal contribution to KE is defined as ##\frac{1}{2}m(\dot{X} - \dot{x_1})^2##. Why is this? I have a hunch that it is due to the "origin" (##X## line) ##x_1## and ##x_2## originate from, though I can't exactly put my finger on the exact reason.

Assistance is greatly appreciated!

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It has to do with the way the generalized coordinates are defined. In the top drawing ##\dot{x}## increases to the right (although not clear from the double arrow) so the velocity relative to the ground is ##\dot{X}+\dot{x}##. In the second drawing, ##x_1## increases to the left while ##X## increases to the right, so the relative velocity would be ##\dot{X}-\dot{x_1}##.
 
kuruman said:
It has to do with the way the generalized coordinates are defined. In the top drawing ##\dot{x}## increases to the right (although not clear from the double arrow) so the velocity relative to the ground is ##\dot{X}+\dot{x}##. In the second drawing, ##x_1## increases to the left while ##X## increases to the right, so the relative velocity would be ##\dot{X}-\dot{x_1}##.

Thanks for the response,

Would I be right to say that this is also the result of vector addition? Edit: With ##x_1## being defined as positive vector
 
You could say that considering that it involves defining cartesian coordinates relative to origin ##O_1## and then adding a cartesian coordinate to define origin ##O_1## relative to new origin ##O_2##.
 
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