Geodesics: Stationary Property & Dirac

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the properties of the metric tensor in General Relativity (GRT), specifically focusing on the stationary property of geodesics as presented in Dirac's work. Participants explore whether certain mathematical properties, such as the symmetry of the metric matrix, are necessary for the formulation of geodesics and the calculation of inner products.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether Dirac's expression for geodesics holds only for diagonal metric matrices, suggesting this might limit the generality of geodesics.
  • Another participant asserts that the relationship between the metric tensor and its inverse is defined such that the expression holds true regardless of the metric's form.
  • There is a curiosity expressed about whether a skew-symmetric matrix could yield the same interval as a diagonal matrix, with a follow-up indicating that while it may produce the same interval, it would not suffice for calculating inner products of different vectors.
  • Participants clarify that the metric must be symmetric to ensure the commutativity of the inner product, reinforcing the definition of the metric tensor.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the metric tensor must be symmetric for the inner product to be commutative. However, there is some contention regarding the implications of this symmetry on the properties of geodesics and the validity of using non-diagonal metrics.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights assumptions about the nature of the metric tensor and its implications for geodesics, but does not resolve whether non-symmetric matrices can be legitimately considered in this context.

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In Dirac's book on GRT, top of page 17, he has this: (I'll use letters instead of Greeks)

gcdgac(dva/ds) becomes (dvd/ds)

I seems to me that that only works if the metric matrix is diagonal.
(1) Is that correct?
(2) If so, that doesn't seem to be a legitimate limitation on the property of geodesics??
 
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exmarine said:
(1) Is that correct?

No. ##g^{cd}g_{ac} = \delta^{d}{}{}_{a}## by definition of the inverse of any metric tensor, hence the desired result.
 
Ah yes, I see that now. Thanks.

PS. Must the metric matrix always be symmetric? For example, a skew-symmetric matrix can produce the same ds^2 interval as a diagonal. Just curious.
 
exmarine said:
Must the metric matrix always be symmetric? For example, a skew-symmetric matrix can produce the same ds^2 interval as a diagonal. Just curious.

It gives you the same ##ds^2## as some diagonal matrix, but it won't work for calculating the inner product of two different vectors.
 
exmarine said:
Ah yes, I see that now. Thanks.

PS. Must the metric matrix always be symmetric? For example, a skew-symmetric matrix can produce the same ds^2 interval as a diagonal. Just curious.

A metric is, by definition, symmetric. :)
 
Nugatory said:
it won't work for calculating the inner product of two different vectors.

To expand on this just a bit, the metric must be symmetric because the inner product is commutative; ##g(a, b) = g(b, a)## for any two vectors ##a## and ##b##. If you write this out in components, you get that ##g## must be a symmetric matrix.
 

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