Geometric interpretation of partial derivatives

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the geometric interpretation of partial derivatives, particularly in the context of functions of multiple variables. Participants explore the meaning of partial derivatives, their representation in three-dimensional space, and the implications for understanding rates of change in such functions.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the concept of slopes in three-dimensional space and questions the meaning of partial derivatives in this context.
  • Another participant suggests that the professor's statement might relate to functions that are not real valued or the complexity of the slope concept in higher dimensions.
  • A participant clarifies that a partial derivative can be viewed as the slope of the tangent plane to a surface in a specific plane, providing an example involving the x-z plane.
  • Another contribution discusses the representation of points and velocity vectors in Euclidean space and how tangent spaces remain meaningful even in curved spaces.
  • A later reply indicates that one participant's doubts have been resolved, although they acknowledge a lack of understanding of some advanced concepts presented.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding and interpretation of partial derivatives, with some agreeing on their geometric representation while others remain uncertain about the implications of slopes in three-dimensional space. The discussion does not reach a consensus on the professor's original statement.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note limitations in their mathematical background, which may affect their understanding of the concepts discussed, particularly regarding tangent spaces and the nature of slopes in higher dimensions.

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Good afternoon guys! I have some doubts about partial derivatives. The other day, my analytic geometry professor told us that slopes do not exist in three-dimensional space. If that's the case, then what does a partial derivative represent? Given that the derivative of a function with respect to one variable is the slope of the tangent line to some point of that function.

Also, if a partial derivative is the rate of change of just one variable in a function of several variables, is there a way to calculate the total rate of change of the function?

Thanks in advance!
 
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I agree with your confusion. You may want to ask him for clarification rather than speculating. He may be talking about functions that are not real valued. Or he may just mean that the concept of slope gets more complicated. A real valued function of several variables can have the partial derivatives that you mention and a gradient. A lot of mathematics related to linear and nonlinear optimization uses the concepts of partial derivatives, gradients, slopes, and direction of steepest descent.
 
A partial derivative represents the slope of the tangent line to a surface, in one plane. For example, if z = f(x, y), ##\frac{\partial f}{\partial x}## represents the slope of the tangent plane to the surface z = f(x, y), in the x-z plane. The description for ##\frac{\partial f}{\partial y}## is similar.
 
Perhaps he just meant that if we are in Euclidean space and we choose an origin, a point in space is represented by a vector from that origin. However, we don't think of a velocity vector as having the same origin as a point in space. The origin of a velocity vector is attached to some part of a trajectory, and the velocity vector belongs to a tangent space.

When space is curved, points in space are no longer represented as a vector from an origin, and the position vector space is not a meaningful any more. But the tangent spaces are still meaningful concepts.

Here is some information about tangent vectors and partial derivatives: http://mathworld.wolfram.com/ManifoldTangentVector.html
 
I did not understand the last post that much, my math is not at that level yet. My doubt has been solved, however. I understand now what a partial derivative represents. Thanks everyone!
 

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