Geometric product in electromagnetism

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The discussion focuses on the application of geometric algebra to electromagnetism, specifically the representation of the field tensor in terms of the 4-potential. A participant encounters issues with sign discrepancies when deriving the field tensor from the 4-potential, leading to confusion about the correct application of identities in geometric algebra. Clarifications are provided regarding the use of derivatives, with emphasis on the relationship between covariant and contravariant components and their impact on the resulting expressions. The conversation highlights the importance of understanding the conventions used in geometric algebra to avoid errors in calculations. Overall, participants seek to resolve misunderstandings related to the mathematical representation of electromagnetic fields using geometric algebra.
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Hi. I've been learning how to use geometric algebra and I've been stumbling when I apply it to E&M. I am hoping someone here can point out what I am doing wrong.

The problem comes when trying to represent the field tensor in terms of the 4-potential. Here is the standard form:

F^{\mu\nu} = \partial^\mu A^{\nu} - \partial^\nu A^{\mu}

\partial_\mu A^{\mu} = 0

Here is the form presented in "Geometric Algebra for Physicists":

F = E + IB = \nabla A

Here it uses the space time vectors \nabla = \gamma^\mu \partial_\mu , A = \gamma_\nu A^\nu: \mu, \nu= 0,1,2,3, the space time bi-vectors E = E^i \gamma_i \gamma_0 ; B = B^i \gamma_i \gamma_0: i = 1,2,3, and spacetime pseudoscalar I = \gamma_0 \gamma_1 \gamma_2 \gamma_3

When I apply it to the 4-potential I get:

\nabla A = \gamma^\mu \gamma_\nu \partial_\mu A^\nu = \gamma^0 \gamma_0 \partial_0 A^0 + ... + \gamma^3 \gamma_3 \partial_3 A^3

Now, at this point I make use of some identities: \gamma^0 = \gamma_0; \gamma_0 \gamma_0 = 1; \gamma^i = -\gamma_i; \gamma_i \gamma_i = -1: i = 1,2,3; \gamma_\mu \gamma_\nu = -\gamma_\nu \gamma_\mu

When I do this to collect terms I should get a scalar, which represents the divergence of A = 0, and a set of bi-vectors which represents the field. But, instead I get numerous wronge signs.

(\partial_0 A^0 + \partial_1 A^1 + \partial_2 A^2 + \partial_3 A^3) + (\partial_0 A^1 + \partial_1 A^0)\gamma_0 \gamma_1 + (\partial_0 A^2 + \partial_2 A^0)\gamma_0 \gamma_2 + ...

The scalar is correct, but the bivectors should be, for example: (\partial_0 A^1 - \partial_1 A^0)\gamma_0 \gamma_1

Thank you for anyone that can help point out my misunderstanding.
 
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Longstreet said:
Here is the form presented in "Geometric Algebra for Physicists":

F = E + IB = \nabla A

Hi Longstreet! :smile:

(have a nabla: ∇ :wink:)

Shouldn't F = Λ A ?
 
Thank you for your reply. However, \nabla A = \nabla \cdot A + \nabla \wedge A = \nabla \wedge A, from the lorenz condition \nabla \cdot A = 0.

I think I realized where the negative comes in. EG:

<br /> (\partial_0 A^1 + \partial_1 A^0)\gamma_0 \gamma_1 = (\partial^0 A^1 - \partial^1 A^0)\gamma_0 \gamma_1<br />

Because of the fact that x^\mu \gamma_\mu = x_\mu \gamma^\mu. However, now I am a bit confused as to what difference it makes taking the derivative \partial_\mu versus \partial^\mu (besides a potential negative sign), and how to know when to use which one. I guess one interpretation is a unit like effect, as in bi-vectors have a area-like quantity associated with them.
 
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You can use either:

\nabla = \gamma^\mu \partial_\mu = \gamma_\mu \partial^\mu

(the sign change for raising \partial_k = - \partial^k is canceled by the corresponding sign change lowering \gamma^k = - \gamma_k)

Use whichever is most convienent. For example, expanding the four-Laplacian in coordinates, use of both makes sense:

\nabla^2 = \gamma^\mu \partial_\mu \cdot \gamma_\nu \partial^\nu = \partial_\mu \partial^\mu
 
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