Getting a newspaper page to stick to a wall using wooden pencil

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around an experiment attempting to adhere a newspaper page to a wall using a wooden pencil through rubbing, exploring the factors affecting the success of this method. It includes considerations of electrostatics, environmental conditions, and material interactions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the method relies on creating an electrostatic charge between the paper and the wall, influenced by the wall's material and ambient humidity.
  • Another participant notes that painted walls may contribute to the failure of the experiment, linking it to humidity levels.
  • There are multiple suggestions regarding drying the wall, pencil, and paper, with one participant questioning the effectiveness of using a blow dryer.
  • A participant emphasizes the importance of maximizing friction to prevent the paper from sliding down, while also discussing the role of air displacement and surface charge creation.
  • Another idea proposes moistening the paper or wall slightly to enhance adhesion, drawing parallels to techniques used in wallpapering.
  • One participant introduces a more mechanical approach, suggesting that applying force with the pencil could cause plastic deformation to attach the paper to the wall.
  • A later reply shares a personal attempt with a glass door, noting temporary success before the paper fell, indicating variability in results.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the effectiveness of various methods and environmental factors, indicating that no consensus has been reached regarding the best approach to achieve the desired outcome.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations related to the assumptions about material properties, environmental conditions, and the mechanics of adhesion, which remain unresolved.

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Hi!

Im trying out an experiment, where a newspaper page is supposed to stick to a wall using a wooden pencil, by rubbing the pencils long side on the newspaper page while its on the wall.

But its not really working.

I have checked the pencil, and there is no coating on it, just wood. It is summertime so it may be moist air? Or perhaps it is the wall?

Any ideas?
 
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I'm guessing the method of sticking is to produce an electrostatic charge between the paper and the wall.
Two factors would affect this:
1) The material on the surface of the wall. It should be different than paper.
2) The ambient humidity. Summer would be the worse time to do this experiment - unless you are using air conditioning.

Wiki: Triboelectric effect
 
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The wall(s) I have tried are painted. So I'm guessing its the humidity then...
 
Is it a dumb idea to try drying the wall, the pen and the paper with a blowdryer?
 
johann1301h said:
Is it a dumb idea to try drying the wall, the pen and the paper with a blowdryer?
If the air is humid, you haven't a chance.
Move to a room with A/C.
 
Thanks!
 
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Friction between the wall and paper prevents the paper sliding down to the floor. Maximise friction, do not polish the wall.

Air is displaced from the space between the paper and the wall as triboelectric surface charge is created by the pencil.

The paper needs to remain flat and against the wall so electrostatic 1/r2 over the paper surface is maximised and preserved.

The paper needs to be dry, so surface charges will not quickly dissipate.
 
You could double down on humidity. If rules allow, moisten the paper (or the wall) slightly with your hand, a sponge or a sprayer. Use the pencil as a roller from the top of the paper or from the center outward to the edges.

Similar to papier-mache technique or wall-paper hanging without mucilage.

Last idea if the above dry and the wet methods fail: drive the sharp end of the pencil through the paper into a soft area of drywall deep enough to mount pencil and paper.

Warnings: Requires patching wall after experiment. Does not demonstrate electrostatics.
 
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Depending on the modulus of elasticity and the yield strength of the wall and the pencil you could orient the pencil normal to the surface of the wall and the paper, and apply sufficient force to cause plastic deformation. This method of attachment should be robust to typical environmental variations.
 
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I tried a small piece of newspaper (8x3 inch) on a glass door and it works - paper stayed there for 2 seconds, and then straight down hugging the glass.
 

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