Getting less total B-field from two infinitely long parallel wires

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The discussion revolves around calculating the total magnetic field produced by two infinitely long parallel wires. Participants are examining the individual contributions of each wire's magnetic field and the methods for combining them vectorially.

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  • Participants are exploring the calculation of the vertical components of the magnetic fields and questioning the dimensions needed for accurate calculations. There is also discussion about vector addition and how to properly sum the magnetic field vectors from each wire.

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Some participants have provided guidance on calculating vertical components and vector addition, while others express frustration with the pace of the discussion and the clarity of the problem setup. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being explored, particularly regarding the dimensions and methods for combining the magnetic fields.

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There is uncertainty regarding the dimensions necessary for calculations, with participants mentioning specific values but expressing confusion about their implications. The discussion reflects a tension between inquiry-based learning and the need for timely assistance in a homework context.

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Homework Statement
Two infinitely long parallel wires separated by 1 m are at 6 m above ground. Each carries a 60-Hz AC current of 100 amperes (rms), but in opposing directions. Find the magnetic flux density B at a test location on the ground which is at an equal distance from the wires.
Relevant Equations
B = u*i/(2*pi*R)
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I got 4.7*sin(377t) micro-Tesla for each wire, but where are they getting the total B-field equaling 0.78 micro-Tesla?
Is it some hidden trigonometry?
 
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Did you calculate the vertical component of B1? You can use similar triangles as suggested in the solution.
 
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TSny said:
Did you calculate the vertical component of B1?
I don't know the dimensions. All I see is the h (6) and d (1).
Sqrt(6^2+1/2^2) used to calculate B.
 
adamaero said:
I don't know the dimensions. All I see is the h (6) and d (1).
Sqrt(6^2+1/2^2) used to calculate B.
You have d and h. What other dimensions do you think you need to know? Each B field vector is perpendicular to its corresponding radius vector.
 
phyzguy said:
You have d and h. What other dimensions do you think you need to know?
I don't know.
phyzguy said:
Each B field vector is perpendicular to its corresponding radius vector.
So how does that help? I suppose I can guess terms, trial and error: sqrt(j^2+k^2) = 0.78.

...I hate playing this game between inquiry based learning and beating around the bush. When the semester actually starts, I can't spend a week on one problem like this. Quizzes are more frequent than that...too little too late...
...ya, ya, it's been only three days...but it'll probably be a week of volleying back and forth until enough help comes or the approach is uncovered from all the piecemeal comments...
 
adamaero said:
I don't know.

So how does that help? I suppose I can guess terms, trial and error: sqrt(j^2+k^2) = 0.78.

I guess I don't understand what you think is missing. You've calculated the magnitude of the B field vectors, and you know their directions. Do you know how to do vector addition?
 
phyzguy said:
I guess I don't understand what you think is missing. You've calculated the magnitude of the B field vectors, and you know their directions. Do you know how to do vector addition?
4.7+4.7 = 0.78
No, I do not.
 
You need to go back and learn how to do vector addition, otherwise there is no hope of solving problems like this. Basically, each component of the two vectors needs to be added independently.
 
So the issue isn't me knowing vector addition...
I suppose one should only use this site as a starting point to define the question, then after one reply, ask it on allaboutcircuits...

TSny said:
Welcome to PF!
Did you calculate the vertical component of B1? You can use similar triangles as suggested in the solution.
How are the vertical components calculated? h = 6 m...
B1 = u*i/(2*pi*R)
B1 = 2*10^(-7)/6 = 3.33e-8
 
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As it says in the problem statement, you have two vectors, and the resultant magnetic field is the sum of the two (B = B1 + B2). B1 is the magnetic field due to wire 1, and B2 is the magnetic field due to wire 2. The total field is the vector sum of these 2, since Maxwell's equations are linear. Can you write out B1 and B2 in vector form?

By vector form, I mean like this:
[tex]\vec{B1} = B1_x \vec{e_x} + B1_y \vec{e_y}[/tex] [tex]\vec{B2} = B2_x \vec{e_x} + B2_y \vec{e_y}[/tex]
 
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