GF(3): Extending q(x) & Proving a is Not a Generator

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The discussion revolves around extending the field GF(3) by considering the polynomial q(x) = x² + 1 and examining whether a root 'a' of this polynomial can serve as a generator for the extended field. Participants explore the elements of the extended field and the implications of their calculations.

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  • Participants discuss the representation of elements in the extended field and the implications of the polynomial relation. There are attempts to express polynomials in simpler forms and questions about the generality of the forms used. Some participants question the completeness of their calculations regarding the powers of 'a' and whether all elements of GF(3) can be generated.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing guidance on how to express elements and the need to calculate higher powers of 'a' to determine its status as a generator. There is recognition of the need for further calculations to fully explore the properties of 'a' in the context of the field.

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Participants note constraints related to the properties of polynomials in finite fields and the implications of modular arithmetic in their calculations. There is an ongoing exploration of assumptions regarding the completeness of the generated elements.

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Describe how the field GF(3) may be extended by postulating the existence of a root a of q(x) and list all the elements of this larger field. Show that a is not a generator of the extended field.

q(x) = x2+1


My attempt

First replace x with a we obtain:

0 = a2+1
a2=-1
a2=2 (-1=2 in mod 3 numbers)

Take powers up to a(3-1)=a2

a
a2 = 2

No I'm sure I have proven a is not a generator but I am unsue how to calculate the elements.
 
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Hi andrey21, :smile:

The exact mathematical notation for the thing you're trying to descirbe is \mathbb{F}_3[X]/(X^2+1). Thus elements of this field are just polynomails in \mathbb{F}_3, but with the additional property that X^2+1=0. This would also mean that X^3+X=0 for example.

Now, a general element in \mathbb{F}_3[X] is of the form a_nX^n+...a_1X+a_0. Can you reduce this polynomial to a simpler form using the relation X^2=-1?
 
a0+a1X+a2X2

Which can be written as:

a0+a1X+a2(-1)

a0+a1X-a2
 
So, what's the general form of elements in GF(3)?
 
a0+a1X-an
 
So, if we have a_0+a_1X+a_2X^2, then we can always write it in the form a+bX for a,b in GF(3).

Is the same possible for general polynomials a_0+a_1X+...+a_nX^n?
 
Ok so the elements for GF(3) are in the form ax+b for 0,1,2:

Giving:

0x+0
0x+1
0x+2
1x+0
1x+1
1x+2
2x+0
2x+1
2x+2

correct?
 
Looks good!
 
Thank you micromass, so to conclude I can prove that a is not a generator as every element of GF(3) was not found when taking powers up to a2
 
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andrey21 said:
Thank you micromass, so to conclude I can prove that a is not a generator as every element of GF(3) was not found when taking powers up to a2

That's not good enough. You've only calculated a and a2. Nothing says that a3, a4,... cannot give all elements of GF(3). It doesn't, but you need to calculate a3, a4,... first.
 
  • #11
Ok so here's my revised answer:

a
a2=2
a3=2a
a4=2a2

=2(2)
=4
=1
Stop when get to 1, so every element is not found so a is not a generator.
 
  • #12
That is good!
 
  • #13
Great Thank you micromass.
 
  • #14
Hi micromass I have another similar question which I am having some problems with:

p(x) = x2+3

GF(5) (0,1,2,3,4)
I must find all elements and decide if a is a generator or not.

First elements are:

0
1
2
3
4
x
x+1
x+2
.
.
.
4x+4

correct??

Now rewriting P(x) replacing x with a:

0=a2+3
a2=-3

a2=2 (-3=2 in mod 5 numbers)
 
  • #15
andrey21 said:
Hi micromass I have another similar question which I am having some problems with:

p(x) = x2+3

GF(5) (0,1,2,3,4)
I must find all elements and decide if a is a generator or not.

First elements are:

0
1
2
3
4
x
x+1
x+2
.
.
.
4x+4

correct??

Now rewriting P(x) replacing x with a:

0=a2+3
a2=-3

a2=2 (-3=2 in mod 5 numbers)

That looks good already! So, now you need to calculate powers of a to see whether it is a generator...
 
  • #16
so here's my answer:

a
a2=2
a3=2a
a4=2a2
=2(2)
=4
a5=4a
a6=4a2
=4(2)
=8

since 8 is not a element of GF(5) should I stop here since I have proved every element will not be obtained.
 
  • #17
But 8 is an element of GF(5). In GF(5), we have 8=3...
 

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