Gibbs free energy various forms

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the differences between various forms of Gibbs free energy, specifically ΔG°, ΔG°, and ΔG°', including their definitions and conditions of applicability. The scope includes theoretical aspects and conceptual clarifications related to thermodynamics.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that ΔG° represents Gibbs free energy at standard state conditions, typically at room temperature and 1 atm pressure.
  • Others argue that ΔG° is constant under all conditions, while ΔG varies with changes in conditions.
  • There is a question about the meaning and definition of ΔG°', with some indicating it may relate to specific conditions such as pH 7 and 36 °C.
  • One participant notes that ΔG°' is the value of ΔG° at 25 °C, while ΔG reflects changes in free energy when the pressures of the species are not equal to 1 atm.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the definitions and implications of ΔG°, ΔG°, and ΔG°', indicating that the discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing interpretations.

Contextual Notes

Some limitations include potential misunderstandings of the terms and conditions under which these Gibbs free energy values apply, as well as the dependence on specific definitions that may vary by field.

Raghav Gupta
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What is the difference between 1) ΔG°' and ΔG°
and 2) ΔG°' and ΔG ?
ΔG° I think it is the gibbs free energy at standard state means at room temperature 1 atm pressure.
 
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##\Delta G^0## is constant at all conditions. Its ##\Delta G## that changes with change in conditions.
 
What about ΔG°' ?
 
Where did you read it?
 
It was given in the question of our assignment.
 
May be something like the conditions that are common in your field of science, say pH is 7 and temp is 36 °C.
 
Raghav Gupta said:
What is the difference between 1) ΔG°' and ΔG°
and 2) ΔG°' and ΔG ?
ΔG° I think it is the gibbs free energy at standard state means at room temperature 1 atm pressure.
ΔG0 is the change in free energy between state 1 and state 2, whereState 1: Stoichiometric quantities of pure reactants in separate containers, each at temperature T and 1 atm pressure

State 2: Corresponding stoichiometric quantities of pure products in separate containers, each at temperature T and 1 atm pressure

So ΔG0 is a function of temperature.

Chet
 
He didn't ask about that.
 
Titan97 said:
##\Delta G^0## is constant at all conditions. Its ##\Delta G## that changes with change in conditions.
Alcathous said:
He didn't ask about that.
What do the words "ΔG° I think it is the gibbs free energy at standard state means at room temperature 1 atm pressure." mean to you?

Chet
 
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I've never seen ΔG0' used before, but, apparently ΔG0' is the value of ΔG0 at 25 C (see post #7).

Incidentally, regarding ΔG, this is the change in free energy if the pressures of the pure species in States 1 and 2 (see post #7) are not all equal to 1 atm.

Chet
 

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