Given Force is 4xDisplacement, find work done

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The problem involves calculating the work done by a force defined as ##F=4x## while moving an object from ##x_1=2m## to ##x_2=4m##. Participants are exploring the implications of a non-constant force and the appropriate methods for calculating work in this context.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Some participants suggest using calculus to compute work as an integral due to the variable nature of the force. Others express confusion about the applicability of calculus based on their current knowledge. There are discussions about the definition of work and the relationship between force and displacement.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively questioning the assumptions related to the force's constancy and the definitions of work. Some have proposed different methods for calculating work, while others are clarifying concepts related to force and displacement. There is no explicit consensus on the approach to take, but various lines of reasoning are being explored.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note that calculus may not be part of their current curriculum, which affects their ability to engage with the problem fully. There is also a discussion about the definitions of displacement and the relationship between positions and displacement in the context of the problem.

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Homework Statement


A force ##F=4x## is applied on an object. What is work done to move it from ##x_1=2m## to ##x_2=4m##?

A)12 J
B)24 J
C)32 J
D)48 J

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The displacement, ##x=4-2=2m##
Force, ##F=4x=4 \times 2=8N##
Work ##W=\vec F \cdot \vec x=8 \times 2 = 16 J##
But it is not listed in options. Did I miss anything? I guess it because Force was given as 4 times x, which will result in meters than Newtons.
 
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The force is not constant, so you have to calculate the work as ##W=\int_2^4F(x)dx##

F=4x means that 4 has the proper unit, N/m.
 
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ehild said:
The force is not constant, so you have to calculate the work as ##W=\int_2^4F(x)dx##

F=4x means that 4 has the proper unit, N/m.
Horrible! Calculus is not in the portion. anyway I know some basics of it and figured out the answer as 32-8=24 J. Thank you very much.
 
If you haven't studied Calculus yet, plot the function F(x) and find the area under the plot between the limits x=2 and x=4. It is a trapezoid now.
 
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I have one doubt. What is the correct definition of work?
My books say ##W=\vec F \cdot \vec x##
But ##W=\int F(x) dx## seems more reasonable.

Also what if force is given as a function of time.
 
##W= \vec F \cdot \vec x ## if the force is constant and ##\vec x## is the displacement.
If the force changes with the position x, the elementary work done during a small displacement ##\vec {dx} ## is ##dW=\vec F \cdot \vec {dx}##, the scalar product of the force with the small displacement.More accurately
To get the whole work you have to integrate for the whole path..

If the force depends on time, you change for the variable t:
##dW=\vec F \cdot \vec {dx}= \vec F \cdot (\vec {dx}/dt )dt=\vec F \cdot \vec {v} dt= ##
 
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ehild said:
##W= \vec F \cdot \vec x ## if the force is constant and ##\vec x## is the displacement.
If the force changes with the position x, the elementary work done during a small displacement ##\vec {dx} ## is ##dW=\vec F \cdot \vec {dx}##, the scalar product of the force with the small displacement.More accurately
To get the whole work you have to integrate for the whole path..

If the force depends on time, you change for the variable t:
##dW=\vec F \cdot \vec {dx}= \vec F \cdot (\vec {dx}/dt )dt=\vec F \cdot \vec {v} dt= ##
Amazing!, how to work on the last equation? Is this correct?
$$dW=\vec F \cdot \vec v dt$$
$$\frac{dW}{dt}=\vec F \cdot \vec v$$[Can I just divide the equation by ##dt## like this one?\
$$\text{Power}=\vec F \cdot \vec v$$
Is this also right?
<br /> \begin{align*}\\\frac{dW}{dt}&amp;=\vec F \cdot \vec v\\\\<br /> \frac{dW}{dt}&amp;=\frac{m\cdot \vec{dv} }{dt}\cdot \vec v\\\\<br /> dW&amp;=m\cdot dv^2<br /> \end{align*}\\<br />
 
Actually you have to take average of displacement means x=X1+X2/2 than you find the answer it will be 24.
 
Govind_Balaji said:
Amazing!, how to work on the last equation? Is this correct?
$$dW=\vec F \cdot \vec v dt$$
$$\frac{dW}{dt}=\vec F \cdot \vec v$$[Can I just divide the equation by ##dt## like this one?\
$$\text{Power}=\vec F \cdot \vec v$$
Is this also right?
Yes, it is right. The power is the scalar product of force with velocity.. It is a very useful equation!

Govind_Balaji said:
<br /> \begin{align*}\\\frac{dW}{dt}&amp;=\vec F \cdot \vec v\\\\<br /> \frac{dW}{dt}&amp;=\frac{m\cdot \vec{dv} }{dt}\cdot \vec v\\\\<br /> dW&amp;=m\cdot dv^2<br /> \end{align*}\\

It is not right, as
## \vec v \cdot \frac{d \vec v}{dt} = 0.5 \frac {d(\vec v)^2} {dt}##,

So ##dW=0.5 m d(\vec v)^2= d KE##

This is the Work-Energy Theorem. The change of kinetic energy is equal to the work done by the force (resultant of all external forces) . .
 
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Ravi4213 said:
Actually you have to take average of displacement means x=X1+X2/2 than you find the answer it will be 24.
I think x1, x2 are position rather than displacement.
Displacement is the change in position, isn't it?
 
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Govind_Balaji said:
I think x1, x2 are position rather than displacement.
Displacement is the change in position, isn't it?
x1 and x2 are positions. The displacement is x2-x1.
 

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