Given impedance, find voltage drop across resistor

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around determining the voltage drop across a resistor in a circuit with given impedances, specifically involving a 0.5 mH inductor and a 10 μF capacitor. Participants explore the application of voltage division in the context of AC circuits, focusing on both theoretical calculations and practical implications.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the voltage division formula and attempts to calculate the total impedance, expressing uncertainty about the next steps after finding the impedance of the inductor.
  • Another participant suggests using a simple voltage divider equation and notes that Vo has both magnitude and phase angle.
  • A participant questions the angle calculation for the total impedance and asks for clarification on the formula used to find Vo.
  • There is a discussion about whether the resistor's angle should be considered zero due to its purely real impedance.
  • Participants discuss the importance of using polar versus rectangular forms for calculations, noting that addition and subtraction are easier in rectangular form while multiplication and division are simpler in polar form.
  • One participant reports their results for part a and part b, indicating a small angle for part a and confirming the procedure for part b will be similar.
  • Another participant expresses uncertainty about the angle for the first result, suggesting it should be negative, while affirming the calculations look good otherwise.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the use of voltage division and the importance of impedance in the calculations. However, there is disagreement regarding the angle of the total impedance and the interpretation of results, with no consensus reached on the correct angle for part a.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the calculations involving polar and rectangular forms, and there are unresolved questions about the correct angles for the impedance values. The discussion reflects varying levels of confidence in the calculations and interpretations presented.

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This discussion may be useful for students studying AC circuit analysis, particularly those interested in voltage division and impedance calculations involving inductors and capacitors.

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Homework Statement

Determine the voltage V0 in the following network if the impedance Z contains:

a. a 0.5 mH inductor

b.a 10 μF inductor

Homework Equations



Voltage division for 2 series resistors: (v in)(resistor/total series resistance)

ZL = ωLj

Zc = -1j/ωC

Z = ZL + ZC + R
Zmagnitude = (R2 + X2)1/2

θ = arctan(J/R)

form Z = R + jx

The Attempt at a Solution



ω = 377 ?

Part a:

ZL = 377 * (0.5 x 10-3) = 0.1885Ωj

Z total = 100Ω + 0.1885ΩjNot sure what to do from here but I guess now try polar conversion, and doing that, Z basically rounds off to

Z total = (100 ∠ 89.9 deg)

Z(just the resistor in polar form) = (100 ∠ 90 deg) because the magnitude is 100 and arctan(100/0.000000001) = 90 degrees

and I think

V = 100 ∠ 0 deg, from the given source voltage.

So I think V0t = (100 ∠ 90 deg)*((00 ∠ 90 deg)/(100 ∠ 90 deg))

= (100 ∠ 90 deg)

(would be negative though, because the arrow is the opposite direction).

but not sure. I know part B would basically be the same thing though.
 
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You have a simple voltage divider: Vo/Vin = R/(R + Z)
where for the inductor Z = jwL etc.

Vo is a magnitude and a phase angle.
 
Rework your angle for the total impedance; I can't understand your calculation: arctan(100/0.000000001) ?

What formula are you using to find Vo? (In symbols)
 
Well, I meant it just for the real resistor and tried to convert just the resistor to polar form... would the resistor angle by itself have an angle of 0, because there's no imaginary impedance (ie, R = 100Ω + 0j)? *Or you can't / you aren't supposed to do that? *

Actually checking it again too, I had the values / fraction switched around for the arctan theta formula, sorry.

I know it's voltage division (V0 = V(R1/R1+R2) even though it's impedance in this case ) but I am wondering if I am really supposed to do all calculation in polar form now (and forgot to say that the main problem here might be with polar form again). For Z total it was to use

Zmagnitude = (R2 + X2)1/2

θ = arctan(imaginary / real)

so with just R = 100 + 0j, it is R(total alone) = 100 ∠ 0 deg

while for total impedance:

Zmagnitude = (1002 + 0.18852)1/2 = 100.0001 still and now

θ = arctan(0.1885/100) = 0.1 deg

And then for the real resistor now it would be 0 since I had the formula switched

so

Z(total) = 100 ∠ 0.1 deg

V0t = (100 ∠ 0 deg)*[ (100 ∠ 0 deg)/(100 ∠ 0.1 deg) ]

?
 
Use polar or rectangular formats, or both; addition and subtraction are easier to accomplish in rectangular form (just like vector components), while multiplication and division are often easier in polar form. You should be able to convert back and forth between the formats with confidence. In fact, I bet your calculator has a build in function that will do it for you!

What's your final result for part (a)?
 
V0t = (100 ∠ 0 deg)V ?I take it I would have to stick with polar coordinates for part B too though right?
 
Color_of_Cyan said:
V0t = (100 ∠ 0 deg)V ?
The magnitude is good. There should be a small angle, pretty close to zero degrees but not exactly.
I take it I would have to stick with polar coordinates for part B too though right?

The procedure will be the same, only the particular value of Z has changed.
 
Sorry for bumping this so late, but I ended up getting V0t = (100 ∠ 0.1 deg)V for part a

and

V0t = ( 35.3 ∠ 69.3 deg)V for part b
 
Determine the voltage V0 in the following network if the impedance Z contains:

a. a 0.5 mH inductor

b.a 10 μF inductor
Anyone have any idea what the F stands for in inductance measure? :wink:
 
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Color_of_Cyan said:
Sorry for bumping this so late, but I ended up getting V0t = (100 ∠ 0.1 deg)V for part a

and

V0t = ( 35.3 ∠ 69.3 deg)V for part b

I think you'll find that the angle for the first one should be negative, but otherwise your results look good.
 

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