Superposition with AC voltage source and DC current source

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The discussion revolves around applying the superposition principle to analyze a circuit with both AC and DC sources. Participants explore the calculation of current using impedance transformations and the separation of AC and DC components in the time domain.

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  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents an initial attempt at solving for the current using impedance for inductors and capacitors.
  • Multiple participants challenge the calculation of capacitor impedance, suggesting it should be -10j instead of -0.1j.
  • After corrections, a new current value is proposed, leading to further discussions about the sign of the current based on the defined direction in the circuit diagram.
  • Participants refine their calculations and discuss the final expression for the current, including both AC and DC components.
  • There is a suggestion to keep the DC and AC components separate, emphasizing the need for a clear representation in the time domain.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the need to separate AC and DC components and refine their calculations, but there are ongoing corrections and discussions regarding specific impedance values and current directions, indicating some disagreement and uncertainty in the details.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include potential errors in impedance calculations and the need for clarity in defining current directions based on circuit diagrams. The discussion reflects evolving understanding rather than settled conclusions.

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Students and practitioners interested in circuit analysis, particularly those studying the effects of superposition in circuits with mixed AC and DC sources.

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Homework Statement


Using the superposition principle, determine the current i(t.
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2. Homework Equations

Zc = 1/jwC
Zl = jwL
V = I*R
I = V/Z

The Attempt at a Solution


First, I converted inductor/capacitor to impedance:
L = 1.5H -> jwL = j * 10 * 1.5 = 15j
C = 10mf = 1/(jwC) = 1/(j*10*10*10^-3) = -0.1j

Then, I transformed the 3A DC current source and 10 ohm resistor into a DC voltage source:
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I then shorted the 30V DC source to find i(t) with only Vs(t) = 10cos(10t)V
After shorting the 30V DC source, C2 and R3 are in parallel. Their impedance is:

(0.1j * 10)/(10-0.1j) = -j/(10-0.1j)
After rationalizing: (0.1 - j)/100.01

Now that, L2 and R4 are in series, total impedance:
15j + 5 + (0.1 - j)/100.01 = (500.15-1499.15j)/100.01 = 15.8 < -71.55°.
I = V/Z = (10<0°)/(15.88<-71.55° ) = 10/15.88<71.55°A

Now I short the AC source:
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The DC source had a frequency of 0 rad/s, so the impedance of C3 is infinity (1/0) and L3 is 0 (j*0*L).
The inductor is shorted and the capacitor is opened. There is a voltage source of 30V and a combined resistance of 15ohms. V=IR -> I = 30/15 = 2A<0°
[(500.15/100.01 + 2) + (1499.15j/100.01)]
Is 16.54<64.96° A the correct answer?
 
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Check your capacitor impedance.
 
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gneill said:
Check your capacitor impedance.
Is it -10j instead of -0.1j?
 
eehelp150 said:
Is it -10j instead of -0.1j?
It is indeed!
 
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gneill said:
It is indeed!
My new current for part 1 is 10/14.14 <-45°
Is the final answer (2.5 + 0.5j) A?
 
That looks good!
 
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gneill said:
That looks good!
Oops, hang on. I think your signs may be incorrect. The diagram defines the current direction as flowing out of the AC source. So the DC contribution to that must be negative.
 
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eehelp150 said:
My new current for part 1 is 10/14.14 <-45°
Is the final answer (2.5 + 0.5j) A?
Also, if the AC current angle is -45°, its imaginary part should be negative...
 
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gneill said:
Also, if the AC current angle is -45°, its imaginary part should be negative...
It was negative on my paper, I don't know why I typed positive.
The final answer should be:
(-1.5 - 0.5j)A, correct?
 
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Yes, that looks good.
 
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gneill said:
Yes, that looks good.
Thank you so much for your help!
 
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gneill said:
Yes, that looks good.
the final answer is -1.5 - 0.5j amps
If w = 10, would the answer in time domain be:
\sqrt{2.5} * cos(10t + 18.435°)A
?
 
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The DC and AC components must be kept separate. There will be a constant DC current with an AC component superimposed on it, or if you like, the AC signal will be offset by a DC bias.
 
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gneill said:
The DC and AC components must be kept separate. There will be a constant DC current with an AC component superimposed on it, or if you like, the AC signal will be offset by a DC bias.
How would I write it out? I need the answer in the time domain.
 
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eehelp150 said:
How would I write it out? I need the answer in the time domain.
A DC current is just a fixed value in the time domain; a number. So your result should have the form:

##I(t) = I_{dc} + I_{ac}##

where ##I_{ac}## is your cosine expression (the part that varies with time).
 
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gneill said:
A DC current is just a fixed value in the time domain; a number. So your result should have the form:

##I(t) = I_{dc} + I_{ac}##

where ##I_{ac}## is your cosine expression (the part that varies with time).
So:

I(t) = sqrt(2)/2 * cos(10t - 45°) - 2
 
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Yes. That looks better!
 

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