Given the ionization energy, find the number of protons

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The problem involves determining the number of protons in a hydrogen-like atom based on its ionization energy of 11808 kJ/mol. The context is rooted in atomic physics and the behavior of electrons in such systems.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the application of formulas related to ionization energy, questioning the correct approach to find the number of protons (Z). There is uncertainty about the use of the formula En = E1/n2 versus the modified version En = -Z2E1/n2. Some participants explore the implications of the negative sign in the energy equation.

Discussion Status

Several participants are actively engaging with the problem, offering different interpretations of the formulas and discussing the values for n and Z. There is a mix of attempts to clarify the relationship between ionization energy and the number of protons, with some guidance provided on the definitions of variables.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the system is hydrogen-like, indicating it has only one electron, and there is discussion about the implications of this on the calculations. The original poster expresses confusion regarding the correct use of formulas and the significance of certain variables.

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Homework Statement



A hydrogen like system has ionization energy of 11808 kJ/mol. Find the number of protons in the nucleus.


Homework Equations



Not sure.

Should I use the formula En = E1/n2?

The Attempt at a Solution



The ionization energy of H is 1312 kJ/mol. The ionization energy of the system is 11808 kJ/mol. Since this is hydrogen like system, it has only one electron in its outer shell and so the effects of electron repulsion can be ruled out. If I try to use the above formula, I am not getting the answer. Or should I use the complicated formula for total energy of the system and then try to find z from it?
 
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Quantum Mind said:
Should I use the formula En = E1/n2?

Not quite. Try En=-Z2E1/n2.
 
Thanks, but how do I find Z ?

En = 11808
E1 = 1312
Z = ?
n = ? (Is it the number of electrons in the outer shell? In that case it would be 1)

What to do with the negative sign ?
 
@ Spinnor: Thanks for the link. I posted before viewing your post.

Guess n = 1 and then it works out (at least I think so)

En = E1 * Z2/n2

11808/1312 = Z2

Z = 3, which incidentally is the right answer.

Is my working correct?
 
Z is the number of protons in the nucleus of this atom and n is the lowest energy level from which you remove an electron when you ionize it. In this case n = 1. Do nothing with the negative sign. It just means that you need to add energy to the atom in order to ionize it, i.e. end up with a nucleus and an electron separate from one another.
 
Quantum Mind said:
@ Spinnor: Thanks for the link. I posted before viewing your post.

Guess n = 1 and then it works out (at least I think so)

En = E1 * Z2/n2

11808/1312 = Z2

Z = 3, which incidentally is the right answer.

Is my working correct?
That is correct.
 
Thank You, kuruman.
 

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