Glancing Elastic Collision Questionnaire

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The discussion revolves around a glancing elastic collision problem, focusing on determining the angles involved after the collision, given the velocities of the objects. Participants are navigating the complexities of momentum and energy conservation principles in this context.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are exploring various methods to derive the angles post-collision, including squaring equations and manipulating momentum vectors. There is also a discussion on the implications of the conservation of kinetic energy and the maximum speed of the objects involved.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants offering different approaches to the problem. Some have provided guidance on manipulating equations, while others are questioning the assumptions regarding the maximum speed of the objects after the collision. There is no explicit consensus on the correct approach yet.

Contextual Notes

Participants note a lack of foundational knowledge on the topic, which may be affecting their understanding. There are also concerns about the validity of the problem setup based on the principles of elastic collisions.

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Homework Statement
In an elastic solution involving two masses A=0.5kg and B=0.3kg on a frictionless table. Mass A has an initial velocity of 4m/s in the positive x-direction and a final velocity of 2m/s in an unknown direction, while Mass B is initially at rest. Find the final speed of Mass B and the direction of masses after collision.
Relevant Equations
MAUi = M1V1Cosx + M2V2Cosy
0 = M1Vi1Sinx - M2V2Siny
I was able to solve for the velocity of MB and got my answer as 4.47m/s.
The main issue right now for me is how to get the angles. I'm really confused on what most people have been posting as we didn't get a groundwork on this topic and so most of the basics I had them self taught.
So far I stopped at:
(0.5*4) = (0.5*2*Cosx) + (0.3*4.47*Cosy)
(0.3*4.47)Siny = (O.5*2*Siny)
 
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Try squaring each equation and then adding them together. You should end up with an equation that will allow you to solve for ##\cos(x+y)##.
 
vela said:
Try squaring each equation and then adding them together. You should end up with an equation that will allow you to solve for ##\cos(x+y)##.
True, but that only finds x+y.
A more obvious approach, to me, is to get each equation so that on one side there is only the term involving, say, y. Now squaring and adding eliminates y.
 
haruspex said:
True, but that only finds x+y. A more obvious approach, to me, is to get each equation so that on one side there is only the term involving, say, y. Now squaring and adding eliminates y.
Yeah, that's a better approach.

Another approach is to work with the momentum vectors. Let ##\vec p## be the initial momentum of A, and ##\vec p_A## and ##\vec p_B## be the final momenta of A and B, respectively. Then ##\vec p = \vec p_A + \vec p_B##. Squaring this equation was my approach above. But isolating ##\vec p_B## first and then squaring amounts to your suggestion.
 
Using the given data and conservation of kinetic energy (since it's an elastic collision), gives the final speed of B as 4.47m/s - agreed,

But for an elastic collision with a stationary object, I think the final speed of the initially stationary object cannot be greater than the impact speed. This would mean B’s final speed can’t more than 4m/s.

If so, there is a fault with the question Can someone correct me if this is wrong?
 
Steve4Physics said:
the final speed of the initially stationary object cannot be greater than the impact speed.
Try a square on collision with the incoming object having the greater mass.
 
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haruspex said:
Try a square on collision with the incoming object having the greater mass.
Thank you @haruspex. I’m being silly. Too much food perhaps.

EDIT2. Got it. Apologies for diverting thread off-topic.
 
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