Glass compressive and tensile stress

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The discussion revolves around the mechanics of compressive and tensile stresses in glass, particularly in the context of flat glass manufacturing and its application in car windshields. Participants explore how these stresses develop during the cooling process and their implications for glass strength and failure under impact.

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  • One participant questions how tensile stresses can develop on the inner surface of glass when the outer surfaces are compressing on the interior.
  • Another participant suggests that the central area of the pane cools first, leading to pre-compression, while the peripheral area cools more slowly and is stronger in tension.
  • A participant speculates that hitting the windshield at the top and bottom would cause it to crack more easily than at the center due to the compressive stress from the outer layers.
  • It is noted that windshields are made from laminated glass, contrasting with toughened glass used in side and rear windows, which affects how they shatter upon impact.
  • One participant critiques the representation of forces in the original diagrams, arguing that the forces should be shown parallel to the surfaces rather than perpendicular, and discusses the implications of the toughening process on internal tension forces.
  • Another participant explains that cracks can only start at points of tension, which are located inside the toughened glass, and emphasizes the need to exceed internal tension forces to cause shattering.

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Participants express differing views on the mechanics of stress distribution in glass and the implications for its structural integrity. There is no consensus on the interpretations of the diagrams or the specifics of how stresses develop and affect glass behavior.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight potential misunderstandings regarding the cooling process and stress distribution, as well as the differences between laminated and toughened glass. The discussion reveals complexities in the mechanics of glass that may depend on specific conditions and definitions.

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In the manufacturing of glass(flat glass),the outside cools first followed by the inside.So,this means that the outer surfaces compresses on the hot inner surface.What I don't understand is how the tensile stresses are developed on the inner surface?

1.Since the outer surfaces are already compressing on the interior,how can the contraction of the inside still create tensile stresses?http://www.ljstar.com/technical/images/sightglass_image_9.jpg

2.For example in a car windshield :By creating compressive and tensile stresses in such a manner as Fig.2,it would be suitable only for side crashes.The normal force shown would be a car/tree impacting from the side. In case of frontal normal force,my compressive stress aids the normal force.Am I right?

[For the windshield to be suitable for frontal crash,I would need to create compressive stresses at the top and bottom part of the windshield(looking from the front) and tensile stresses in the centre.Which is kind-of weird.]
 
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I think you may have misinterpreted the terms inside and outside as referring to the section when they were intended to refer to the area of the pane.
When glass is being manufactured the central area of the pane is cooled first. The peripheral area then cools slowly and so shrinks onto that central zone. That helps prevent tension cracks when impacted in the central zone, because the central zone is under pre-compression. The outer band is cooled slower so it is stronger in tension than the central zone, it is also mounted in a rubber strip that reduces stress and vibration.
 
So,if I hit the windshield of my car(with a hammer) on the top and bottom areas,it would crack and shatter much easier?This when compared to the central portion where cracks are held together because of the compressive stress from the outer layers.
 
A windshield is made from laminated glass, not toughened glass. The side and rear windows will be toughened, not laminated.

Windshields were once made from toughened glass that shattered into small cubes. It took some time to develop a safe laminated glass for windshields that did not trap the thing that broke it.
 
In your original post you showed a section being Fig 1, with compression and tension forces perpendicular to the surface of the glass. I believe those forces should have been shown parallel with the surfaces. Whatever the diagram shows, it is quite misleading. Your second diagram showed a quite different situation, where a force applied to the centre of a constrained glass disk caused a fracture to begin. That constraint could be achieved by an external tensioned hoop, a fluid pressure or by cooling the outer annular zone last so it shrinks onto the inner disk. A critical difference between the diagrams is that the second shows no layer differentiation. There is a paradoxical reversal of logic in the toughening process. By chilling and shrinking the outer surface it actually ends up in compression.

Consider a flat sheet of hot glass, chill the flat surfaces rapidly, the surfaces shrink in area as they solidify. That surface area contraction effects the hotter still fluid interior which thickens very slightly to maintain it's volume as it's envelope shrinks and hardens. The interior then cools and contracts in area as it solidifies. This produces internal tension forces parallel with the surface that place the outer surface area in compression. That sequence results in outer surface compression due to the inner tension. At no time do you need to consider forces perpendicular to the surfaces.

Cracks can only start at points of tension, but the points of highest tension are inside the toughened sheet, not on the surface. When you hit the front surface of toughened glass you must exceed the high internal tension forces, that were frozen into the sheet, before the back surface can enter tension and cause the glass to shatter.
 
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