Global optimization subject to constraints

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The discussion revolves around maximizing the function f(x,y,z)=(xyz)^(1/3) under the constraint that x, y, z are nonnegative numbers and their sum equals a constant k. The second part of the problem asks to show that (xyz)^(1/3) is less than (x+y+z)/3 for any nonnegative x, y, z, raising questions about the implications of removing the constraint.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the application of the Lagrange Multiplier method to find the maximum value of f under the given constraints. There is uncertainty about how the removal of the constraint in part (b) affects the validity of the result from part (a). Some participants question whether the inequality holds for any set of nonnegative numbers without the constraint.

Discussion Status

The conversation is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the implications of the constraints, but there is no clear consensus on the validity of the inequality in part (b) without the constraint.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the original constraint x+y+z=k is critical in part (a), and its absence in part (b) raises questions about the generality of the conclusion. There is also mention of specific values for k and examples that illustrate the confusion regarding the conditions of the problem.

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1a) Determine the maximum value of f(x,y,z)=(xyz)1/3 given that x,y,z are nonnegative numbers and x+y+z=k, k a constant.

1b) Use the result in (a) to show that if x,y,z are nonnegative numbers, then (xyz)1/3 < (x+y+z)/3


Attempt:
1a) Using the Lagrange Multiplier method, I get that the absolute maximum of f subject to the constraints x+y+z=k and x,y,z>0 is k/3

1b) Here, it seems to me that one of the constraints, namely x+y+z=k, is removed. If so, then how can we still use the result of part (a) here?

I need some help on part (b). Any help is appreciated!
 
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kingwinner said:
1a) Determine the maximum value of f(x,y,z)=(xyz)1/3 given that x,y,z are nonnegative numbers and x+y+z=k, k a constant.

1b) Use the result in (a) to show that if x,y,z are nonnegative numbers, then (xyz)1/3 < (x+y+z)/3


Attempt:
1a) Using the Lagrange Multiplier method, I get that the absolute maximum of f subject to the constraints x+y+z=k and x,y,z>0 is k/3

1b) Here, it seems to me that one of the constraints, namely x+y+z=k, is removed. If so, then how can we still use the result of part (a) here?

I need some help on part (b). Any help is appreciated!

For any x, y, z, x+ y+ z is something isn't it? For any x, y, z, define k= x+ y+ z. Then you have shown by a that [itex](xyz)^{1/3}\le k/3= (x+ y+ z)/3[/itex].
 
HallsofIvy said:
For any x, y, z, x+ y+ z is something isn't it? For any x, y, z, define k= x+ y+ z. Then you have shown by a that [itex](xyz)^{1/3}\le k/3= (x+ y+ z)/3[/itex].

For simplicity, let's take k=5.

In part b, x,y,z are only required to be nonnegative numbers. There is no restriction that x+y+z=5 as there is in part a.
Take e.g. x=5, y=5, z=5 which are nonnegative
But x+y+z=15, which is not equal to 5.

It seems to me that (xyz)1/3 < (x+y+z)/3 is true only if x+y+z=k, but NOT true for ANY nonnegative numbers, and in part b we have to prove the latter.

Can someone explain more, please?
 
You really didn't listen to Halls, did you? You proved the max for ALL k. If k=5 then the max is at x=y=z=5/3. And (xyz)^(1/3)<=5=x+y+z. If you take x=y=z=5 you'd better set k=15. Then (xyz)^(1/3)<=15<=x+y+z. Any other values of k you'd like me to address individually? I think you should think about this a little more before posting another question.
 

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