Going down a slide CONSERVATION OF ENERGY

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The problem involves a slide with a height of 35.0 meters inclined at 45 degrees, where participants are tasked with finding the speed of a thrill seeker at the bottom of the slide, analyzing changes in mechanical energy due to friction, and determining the force of friction.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the conservation of mechanical energy and the application of energy equations. There is uncertainty regarding the use of angles and when to break into components, particularly in the context of friction. Some participants suggest that energy considerations can simplify the analysis, while others question the relevance of angles in the absence of friction.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the energy approach, but there remains a lack of consensus on the role of angles and friction in the analysis.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating the complexities of energy conservation in a scenario that includes both ideal (no friction) and real-world (friction present) considerations. The presence of an angle in the setup is also under scrutiny, particularly in relation to the effects of friction.

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Homework Statement


Suppose a slide is 35.0 meters high, but is a straight slope, inclined at 45 degrees with respect to the horizontal.

a) find the speed of a 60.0kg thrill seeker at the bottom of the slide, assuming no friction.
b) if the thrill seeker has a speed of 20.0m/s at the bottom, find the change in mechanical energy due to friction
c) find the magnitude of the force of friction


Homework Equations


KEi + PEi = KEf + PEf


The Attempt at a Solution



a) since there is no friction, mechanical energy is conserved. So therefore using the above equation: KEi + PEi = KEf + PEf. However, i have difficulty when the question adds an angle. When do I know when to break into x and y components??

In this case, KEi = 0, PEi = mgy1, KEf = 1/2mv^2, PEf = 0

Therefore, PEi = KEf
mgy1 = 1/2mv2^2
square root of 2gy1 = v2^2 (where y1 = 35m)

is that right?
 
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Your notation is a little confusing, but from your set up you want to solve for v in the following equation

mgy_1=\frac{1}{2}mv_2^2
 
However, i have difficulty when the question adds an angle. When do I know when to break into x and y components?
That's a great thing about the energy method of solving problems like this. Energy is energy. It doesn't matter how you get from State 1 to State 2. You can largely ignore what happens in between.

Now, in "real-life", there will always be friction. The friction is defined as the normal component of the weight, multiplied by the friction coefficient. That means that the shallower the angle, the greater the friction force, and the slower resulting speed. However, neglecting friction, you can ignore that fact.
 
So when do you consider the angles? Only when there is friction?
 

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