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The discussion revolves around the evaluation of received power calculations using the Friis Transmission equation, specifically in the context of Zigbee communication at a distance of one mile. Participants are exploring whether the calculated received power values are acceptable and discussing the implications of various parameters such as frequency, transmitter power, and antenna gain.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant reports a received power of 1.509e-9 mW and questions its adequacy.
  • Another participant calculates a received power of 9.433e-9 mW but is uncertain about its quality.
  • A third participant notes that a received power of -80 dBm should be acceptable if the receiver sensitivity is better than -90 dBm.
  • One participant mentions their receiver sensitivity is -100 dBm and inquires about the -90 dBm reference.
  • There is a mention of a different received power calculation yielding 3.396e-7 mW, with uncertainty about its origin.
  • Another participant suggests that a high received power at a mile distance indicates a powerful transmitter and requests the input parameters used in the Friis equation.
  • One participant confirms that the transmitter power is high (+17 dBm) and notes that the lower frequency (900 MHz) contributes to increased range.
  • Questions arise regarding the antenna gain or aperture, with references to external resources for clarification.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty regarding the adequacy of the received power values and the implications of various parameters. There is no consensus on what constitutes a "good" received power, and multiple viewpoints on the significance of the calculated values remain present.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not fully resolved the assumptions regarding the inputs to the Friis equation, nor have they clarified the definitions of "good" received power in this context.

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wait I get
Received Power: 3.396e-7 mW

not sure where that last number came from
 
btb4198 said:
wait I get
Received Power: 3.396e-7 mW

not sure where that last number came from

If you are getting 3.3e-7mW a mile away from your transmitter, it must be a really powerful transmitter.
Maybe you should share the inputs that you are supplying to the Friis equation.

BTW dBm is 10log(milliwatts)
 
the_emi_guy said:
If you are getting 3.3e-7mW a mile away from your transmitter, it must be a really powerful transmitter.
Maybe you should share the inputs that you are supplying to the Friis equation.

BTW dBm is 10log(milliwatts)
Frequency 900 MHz
Gain 5 dBi
Max. Power 50mW
I used this site :
https://www.pasternack.com/t-calculator-friis.aspx

the gain for the Tx is the same for the Rx because I am using the same antenna for both.
 
Everything looks correct.
You are getting exceptional range because:
1 - your transmitter is high power (+17dBm), most zigbees transmit at 0dBm.
2 - You are at 900MHz, not 2.4GHz. Lower frequency allows significant range increase.
 
btb4198 said:
Frequency 900 MHz
Gain 5 dBi
Max. Power 50mW
I used this site :
https://www.pasternack.com/t-calculator-friis.aspx

the gain for the Tx is the same for the Rx because I am using the same antenna for both.
What is the antenna gain or aperture?
 

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