Good introductory E&M textbooks?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around recommendations for introductory textbooks on Electricity and Magnetism (E&M). Participants share their experiences with various texts, focusing on the clarity, rigor, and suitability of different editions for students at different levels of understanding.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses dissatisfaction with their current textbook, noting it lacks examples and presents watered-down theory, and questions whether Halliday and Serway would be suitable supplements.
  • Another participant recommends "Principles of Electrodynamics" by Dover as a well-regarded and inexpensive option.
  • Some participants suggest "Electricity and Magnetism" by Purcell and "Fundamentals of Electricity and Magnetism" by Arthur Kip as better alternatives for introductory courses.
  • David Griffith's textbook is highlighted as intuitive and widely used, with one participant sharing their self-study experience with it.
  • Feynman's Lectures, specifically Volume II, are mentioned as a valuable resource.
  • Concerns are raised about the dilution of rigor in modern textbooks, with references to older editions of Tipler and Halliday and Resnick being clearer and more rigorous.
  • Some participants note that older editions of Halliday & Resnick can be found cheaply and may be preferable due to less distracting visuals.
  • One participant mentions difficulties with Griffith's text due to a lack of vector calculus background, while another emphasizes the need for vector calculus to properly understand calculus-based E&M.
  • There is a shared sentiment that modern textbooks often include distracting elements that hinder learning, with calls for more straightforward presentations of material.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of opinions on the effectiveness of various textbooks, with no clear consensus on which is the best choice. There is agreement on the preference for older editions among some participants, but others advocate for newer texts depending on the reader's background.

Contextual Notes

Some participants highlight limitations in their current textbooks, such as a lack of rigor or excessive distractions, while others note the importance of having a solid foundation in vector calculus for understanding E&M concepts. The discussion reflects varying levels of preparedness among participants.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for students seeking recommendations for introductory E&M textbooks, particularly those interested in the clarity and rigor of different editions and the impact of visual elements on learning.

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The book I currently use for my class is not great with very few examples, watered-down theory, and is bloated. I've searched the forums and found that Halliday and Serway are well received, but I still don't know. Even though my course is supposed to be calculus-based and all the concepts are presented through calculus, the problem sets only require algebra and they test only on algebra. Based on this circumstance, are Halliday and Serway still good books to supplement my studies in E&M? Any other books you would recommend?
 
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I don't think that the book by Schwartz is intended for a first course in EM...
Electricity and Magnetism by Purcell and Fundamentals of Electricity and Magnetism by Arthur Kip
are the ones I recommend...
 
David Griffith is highly recommended. It is highly intuitive and extensively used as one of the standard intro level EM texts. I personally never had an intro level EM class, only self-studied Griffith. Now all I do is solving Maxwell's equations
 
Feynman Vol II
 
I don't think he's taking an intro E&M class. He's talking about Halliday and Serway so I think he's in his second semester of an intro physics class. My personal observation is that textbooks have become horribly watered down and much more difficult to understand with all of the distracting colors and graphics. I still have the 1st edition of Tipler (1976) and the 3rd edition of Halliday and Resnick (1967) on my shelf. They are definitely more rigorous and much easier to read. Go to a good used bookstore and flip through some old books. If you are in an E&M class get Kip's book. I bought the 1969 edition for a dollar or two in the used bookstore and it's some of the clearest reading I've ever seen.
 
You can pick up an old edition of Halliday & Resnick, "Fundamentals of Physics" cheap. The other books mentioned -- Schwartz, Griffith, and Feynman -- are probably too advanced if you haven't had calc III, though it wouldn't hurt to check them out of the library. You should read at least the first few chapters of Feynman vol. II.
 
I've tried reading Griffith, and my lack of a background in vector calculus made it a worthless endeavour.

I am currently using Halliday and Resnick fundamentals 9th edition and even though I find it much easier to read through than my current textbook (mostly due to the fact that chapters are much more condensed). But it still has all of these pictures that make it very difficult to follow. Are the older editions really better?

I like rigour, but I don't want to read something as rigorous as Maxwell's treatise on E&M. This is my first rigorous introduction introduction to E&M.
 
I think to learn 'proper' calculus-based E&M you need vector calculus.

I like older editions better cause like you, I find large colorful (usually irrelevant) pictures distracting. Not too sure about the rigor in first-year physics textbooks, but the older ones usually get straight to the point and don't ramble, though sometimes I find the extra discussion in the relatively newer ones (not the latest) helpful.
 
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That's my theory Dragoon. I'd rather gouge my eyes out than teach another calculus course using the latest edition of Thomas or Stewart, explaining to my students that I'm really sorry but the department makes me use this book, but I still have my dad's old 1st edition of Thomas and it's highly readable. I think the publishers think that you need to be entertained because the subject matter is too difficult for you. I think students have a hard time because the publishers have made it difficult. Look at higher level texts. They get to the point without the distractions because the people who read them wouldn't put up with the junk. I have no idea why someone learning something for the first time would put up with it. The best part is that you can get these old editions for virtually nothing on Amazon.
 

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