GR: Attractors & Liouville's Theorem

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In classical Hamiltonian mechanics, Liouville's theorem asserts that the volume of phase space is preserved over time, indicating that attractors do not exist. The discussion raises the question of whether General Relativity (GR) possesses attractors and if a Liouville-like theorem applies, particularly given GR's Hamiltonian formulation. It is established that every Hamiltonian system, including GR, adheres to Liouville's theorem, although the phase space in field theories is infinite-dimensional. The Raychaudhuri equation, while related to volume changes in GR, does not directly address phase space dynamics.

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Does GR have attractors?
In classical Hamiltonian mechanics, because of Liouville's theorem about the volume of phase space being preserved by time evolution, there are no attractors.

Naively, I think of the Raychaudhuri equation in GR as showing a shrinking volume. However, I guess Raychaudhri's equation does not deal with the phase space of GR.

Does GR have attractors?
Is there something like the Liouville theorem in GR, especially since GR has a Hamiltonian formulation?
 
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Just a guess, but given that very little is known about the global properties of solutions to the initial value problem, I would say that it is a very hard question.
 
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atyy said:
Is there something like the Liouville theorem in GR, especially since GR has a Hamiltonian formulation?
Every Hamiltonian system obeys the Liouville theorem. GR is not an exception. Note, however, that the phase space in field theories is infinite dimensional. In particular, the 3-dimensional volume of a lump of matter (which may shrink due to gravitational collapse) has nothing to do with the infinite-dimensional phase-space volume.
 
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atyy said:
Naively, I think of the Raychaudhuri equation in GR as showing a shrinking volume.
GR is invariant under the time reversal. Raychaudhuri equation can describe also the expansion. In the black-hole context, such an expanding solution is called a white hole. Such solutions are usually discarded because they require unrealistic initial conditions, or equivalently, because for such solutions entropy decreases with time.
 
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Demystifier said:
Every Hamiltonian system obeys the Liouville theorem. GR is not an exception. Note, however, that the phase space in field theories is infinite dimensional. In particular, the 3-dimensional volume of a lump of matter (which may shrink due to gravitational collapse) has nothing to do with the infinite-dimensional phase-space volume.
Are you sure the theorem holds in field theories?
 
martinbn said:
Are you sure the theorem holds in field theories?
Formally yes, but I guess it's not fully rigorous due to the infinite number of degrees of freedom.
 

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