Grade 12 Centripetal Acceleration Question- Universal Law of Gravitation

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves the Bohr model of the hydrogen atom, focusing on the motion of an electron around the nucleus. Participants are tasked with calculating the acceleration of the electron, the gravitational force between the electron and the nucleus, the centripetal force acting on the electron, and identifying the forces contributing to the centripetal acceleration.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the calculation of acceleration using provided equations and express uncertainty about determining the gravitational force without mass values. There is mention of the need for standard mass values for the proton and electron, and a concern about using only the information given in the problem statement.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring the implications of using standard values versus the constraints of the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the masses of the proton and electron, but there is no consensus on how to proceed without additional information.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the problem may impose restrictions on using standard values for mass, which complicates the calculations for gravitational and centripetal forces.

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Homework Statement


In the Bohr model of the hydrogen atom, the electron revolves around the nucleus. If the radius of the orbit is 5.8 z 10^-11 m and the electron makes 6.6 x 10^15 r/s, find;
a) the acceleration of the electron
b) the magnitude of the gravitational force of attraction between the electron and the nucleus
c) the centripetal force acting on the electron
d) the magnitude of each force contributing to the centripetal acceleration (name each force)


Homework Equations


Fc= ma= mv^2/r=4pi^2Rf^2
Fg=Gm1m2/r^2


The Attempt at a Solution


So I got the acceleration by using this equation: ac=4pi^2Rf^2= 9.97 x 10^22 m/s/s, and I know that the two forces contributing to the Fc are Fg and an electrical force of attraction. I do not know how to get the gravitational force of attraction without any masses. I'm at a loss. I also calculated the speed, but I do not see how I can use that to get the Fg and the Fc. Please help!
 
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Well you have Hydrogen which is just one proton and one electron. So you can look up the masses for these two and use it.
 
rock.freak667 said:
Well you have Hydrogen which is just one proton and one electron. So you can look up the masses for these two and use it.
I'm pretty sure I'm only supposed to use information provided from the question though..
 
AudenCalbray said:
I'm pretty sure I'm only supposed to use information provided from the question though..

They are standard values but in that case, then you can't find the gravitational force nor the centripetal force as they both contain a mass term.
 
Oh, alright, thank you!
 

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