Grade 12 Gravitational Force Fields Questions.

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The discussion revolves around determining whether a space probe, launched from a stable orbit using a rail gun, has sufficient velocity to escape Earth's gravitational influence. The problem involves gravitational force fields and escape velocity calculations, incorporating kinetic energy considerations.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the formula for escape velocity and the necessary calculations to determine the probe's initial and final velocities. There are attempts to clarify the relationship between kinetic energy and velocity, and questions arise about how to incorporate the additional energy from the rail gun into the calculations.

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Several participants have provided insights into the calculations needed to find the initial velocity of the probe and how to adjust this with the added kinetic energy from the rail gun. There are ongoing discussions about the correct interpretation of the orbital radius and the implications for escape velocity. Some participants express uncertainty about the calculation process, indicating a productive exploration of the problem.

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Participants note the distinction between altitude and orbital radius, which is crucial for accurate calculations. There is also mention of the energy boost provided by the rail gun, which adds complexity to the problem. The discussion reflects a collaborative effort to navigate these nuances without arriving at a definitive conclusion.

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1.Nasa fires a 1 tonne space probe, from a stable orbit of altitude 13,620km using a giant rail gun. The rail gun provides the probe with 9.97165*10^10 J of additional kinetic energy. Determine if the probe has enough velocity to escape the Earth's gravity well. The Earth's mass and radius are 5.98*10^24kg and 6380km respectively.
 
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Hi TheSerpent,
The formula for escape velocity is v=√(2GM/r) where v= velocity, G=universal gravitational constant (G=6.67*10-11 Nm2kg-2), M is the mass of the body, and r is the separation distance.

v=√(2GM/r)
Ekinetic=0.5mv2

m (rocket)=1000 kg
r (orbit)=13620 km
Ekinetic=9.97165*1010 J
m (earth)=5.98*1024 kg
r (earth)=6380 km

First, find the velocity that the rocket has...
Ekinetic=0.5mv2
9.97165*1010 J = 0.5(1000 kg)v2
v=√((2*(9.97165*1010 J))/1000 kg)
v=1.412*104 m/s

Then, find the velocity that the rocket would need to escape...
v=√(2GM/r)
v=√(2GM/rorbit+rearth)
v=√((2*(6.67*10-11 Nm2kg-2)*(5.98*1024 kg))/(13620 km + 6380 km))
v=1.997*105 m/s

Compare the two -- the rocket will not have sufficient velocity to escape.
Good luck! I hope this helps.
 
First determine the initial velocity of the space probe in its original orbit (prior to receiving a boost from the rail gun). Remember that you're given its altitude, not its orbit radius.

From that velocity determine what the escape velocity would be; escape velocity has a particular relationship to the circular orbit velocity. Then determine what the new velocity would be given the rail gun boost of energy. Compare to the escape velocity.
 
plancking said:
Hi TheSerpent,
The formula for escape velocity is v=√(2GM/r) where v= velocity, G=universal gravitational constant (G=6.67*10-11 Nm2kg-2), M is the mass of the body, and r is the separation distance.

v=√(2GM/r)
Ekinetic=0.5mv2

m (rocket)=1000 kg
r (orbit)=13620 km <--- That's its altitude, not its orbital radius
Ekinetic=9.97165*1010 J <--- That's the energy added, not the total
m (earth)=5.98*1024 kg
r (earth)=6380 km

First, find the velocity that the rocket has...
Ekinetic=0.5mv2
9.97165*1010 J = 0.5(1000 kg)v2
v=√((2*(9.97165*1010 J))/1000 kg)
v=1.412*104 m/s

Then, find the velocity that the rocket would need to escape...
v=√(2GM/r)
v=√(2GM/rorbit+rearth)
v=√((2*(6.67*10-11 Nm2kg-2)*(5.98*1024 kg))/(13620 km + 6380 km))
v=1.997*105 m/s

Compare the two -- the rocket will not have sufficient velocity to escape.
Good luck! I hope this helps.

The rocket begins in a circular orbit at the given altitude. Therefore it will have an initial velocity and kinetic energy appropriate for a circular orbit at that location. Next additional energy is supplied via a rail gun boost. The probe will gain that energy as KE and thus have a new velocity. Compare to the escape velocity for that orbital radius.
 
gneill said:
The rocket begins in a circular orbit at the given altitude. Therefore it will have an initial velocity and kinetic energy appropriate for a circular orbit at that location. Next additional energy is supplied via a rail gun boost. The probe will gain that energy as KE and thus have a new velocity. Compare to the escape velocity for that orbital radius.

Thanks for the correction!
 
plancking said:
Thanks for the correction!

So what's going to be changed in the calculation process (how do you find the new velocity?)
 
TheSerpent said:
So what's going to be changed in the calculation process (how do you find the new velocity?)

The rail gun adds kinetic energy. Velocity depends upon kinetic energy.
 
gneill said:
The rocket begins in a circular orbit at the given altitude. Therefore it will have an initial velocity and kinetic energy appropriate for a circular orbit at that location. Next additional energy is supplied via a rail gun boost. The probe will gain that energy as KE and thus have a new velocity. Compare to the escape velocity for that orbital radius.

Find orbital velocity:
v = √(GM/r)
v = √((6.67*10^-11)(5.98*10^24)/(13620000 + 6380000)
v = 4.466 * 10^3 m/s

Find orbital kinetic energy:
K = mv^2/2
k = (1000)(4.466*10^3)^2/2
K = 9972578000 = 9.973 * 10^9 J

Find escape velocity:
v esc = √2 v
v esc = √2 (4.466 * 10^3)
v esc = 6.316 * 10^3 m/s

How would you include the energy boost from the rail gun into the answer, that is what I am not sure of.
 
TheSerpent said:
Find orbital velocity:
v = √(GM/r)
v = √((6.67*10^-11)(5.98*10^24)/(13620000 + 6380000)
v = 4.466 * 10^3 m/s

Find orbital kinetic energy:
K = mv^2/2
k = (1000)(4.466*10^3)^2/2
K = 9972578000 = 9.973 * 10^9 J

Find escape velocity:
v esc = √2 v
v esc = √2 (4.466 * 10^3)
v esc = 6.316 * 10^3 m/s
Okay! Good to here!
How would you include the energy boost from the rail gun into the answer, that is what I am not sure of.

Kinetic energy adds. Add the boost energy to the energy k that you found above. Find the new velocity from that.
 
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gneill said:
Okay! Good to here!


Kinetic energy adds. Add the boost energy to the energy k that you found above. Find the new velocity from that.

Find new velocity:

K = mv^2 / 2
(9.973 * 10^9)+(9.97165 * 10^10) = (1000)v^2 / 2
v = √(2)(1.096895*10^11)/1000
v = 14811.44827 = 1.481 * 10^4 m/s

This is the actual velocity so therefore the rocket will have sufficient velocity to escape.
 
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TheSerpent said:
Find new velocity:

K = mv^2 / 2
(9.973 * 10^9)+(9.97165 * 10^10) = (1000)v^2 / 2
v = √(2)(1.096895*10^11)/1000
v = 14811.44827 = 1.481 * 10^4 m/s

This is the actual velocity so therefore the rocket will have sufficient velocity to escape.

Yup. That looks good.
 
  • #12
gneill said:
Yup. That looks good.

Thank you for your help! Can you also help us in our other post you commented on? We posted an idea but unsure!
 
  • #13
TheSerpent said:
Thank you for your help! Can you also help us in our other post you commented on? We posted an idea but unsure!

You're welcome.

I see that you have two threads, this one and one other. I've made a suggestion for you to work on in that other thread.
 

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