Gradient Vector is Orthogonal to the Level Curve

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The discussion revolves around the function f(x,y)=arctan(x/y) and the verification of the gradient vector being orthogonal to the level curve at a point P, where P=(x,y)≠(0,0) and y=mx for m≠0. Participants are exploring the properties of level curves and their relationship with the gradient vector.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants are attempting to understand the tangent vector of the level curve and the conditions for orthogonality with the gradient vector. There are questions about the definition of level curves and the nature of tangent vectors.

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Some participants have expressed confusion about the concepts involved, while others are providing clarifications regarding the definitions and relationships between the gradient vector and level curves. The conversation is ongoing with multiple interpretations being explored.

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There is an indication of uncertainty regarding the definitions of level curves and tangent vectors. Additionally, one participant mentions that the homework has been submitted, highlighting a sense of urgency to understand the concepts despite the assignment being completed.

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Homework Statement


Let f(x,y)=arctan(x/y) and u={(√2)/2,(√2)/2}
d.) Verify that ∇fp is orthogonal to the level curve through P for P=(x,y)≠(0,0) where y=mx for m≠0 are level curves for f.

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The Attempt at a Solution


∇f={(y)/(x^2+y^2),(-y)/(x^2+y^2)}
m=1/tan(k) where k=f(x,y) and tan(k)≠0
I'm stuck and very confused. The homework is doomed and turned in, but I still really want to understand how to think about problems like this one. Any help is appreciated.
 
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What is the tangent vector of the level curve? What is the requirement to be orthogonal to the level curve?
 
Orodruin said:
What is the tangent vector of the level curve? What is the requirement to be orthogonal to the level curve?
See that's the thing. I know this is a simple question, but I'm having a total blank. Thank you for your help and I understand if you can't show me more.
 
Uhh, do know what a level curve is?
 
HallsofIvy said:
Uhh, do know what a level curve is?
I think I do. Its the function f (x,y) equal to some constant, say k. Maybe this is right, maybe not. But when k=f (x,y), k=arctan (x/y) or y=x/(tan (k)), right? So I believe it is the function set so that the set of x and y values must equal the value k. I don't know, thank you for your help.
 
Yes, but you really do not need to know what it is to solve this. You have already been told that the line y = mx is a level curve. This is a straight line. What is the tangent vector of a straight line? What is a tangent vector?
 
BennyT said:
I think I do. Its the function f (x,y) equal to some constant, say k. Maybe this is right, maybe not. But when k=f (x,y), k=arctan (x/y) or y=x/(tan (k)), right? So I believe it is the function set so that the set of x and y values must equal the value k. I don't know, thank you for your help.
You also should know that the directional derivative for f(x,y), in direction of unit vector \vec{u}, is \vec{u}\cdot \nabla f. In particular, that directional derivative is 0 if and only if \vec{u} is perpendicular to \nabla f. And, of course, since the function is constant on a level curve, the derivative along it (in its direction) is 0.
 
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