GramSchmidt process for Taylor basis

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The discussion revolves around the Gram-Schmidt process in the context of constructing a Taylor basis, particularly focusing on the limits of integration and the implications of different topological spaces and inner products. Participants explore the conditions under which the Taylor series is developed and how these affect the resulting basis.

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  • Some participants question the choice of limits for the integral in the Gram-Schmidt process.
  • It is proposed that the limits depend on the topological space and the definition of the inner product, with a specific example given of ##L_2([-1,1])##.
  • There is a suggestion that the choice of the interval around zero is somewhat arbitrary, leading to a discussion about the nature of the basis derived from different spaces.
  • Concerns are raised about potential scaling factors for basis vectors depending on the inner product used, with distinctions made between orthonormal and orthogonal bases.
  • Participants emphasize that the limits are determined by the chosen space and inner product, suggesting a need to reason backwards from the space to the algorithm and then to the basis.
  • One participant points out that the choice of the interval ##[-1, 1]## may be related to the desire for orthonormal bases.
  • Another participant clarifies that the inner product for continuous functions on an interval can influence the algorithm and the resulting basis, highlighting the importance of defining the Hilbert space before discussing integration limits.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the significance of the limits of integration and the implications of the chosen topological space. There is no consensus on whether the limits can be changed arbitrarily or the extent to which they influence the basis derived from the Gram-Schmidt process.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the discussion is contingent on the definitions of the topological space and inner product, which may not have been fully established in the initial context. This leads to potential ambiguities regarding the application of the Gram-Schmidt process.

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Why are the limits as so for the integral?
 

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In the end it depends which topological space you consider and how the inner product is defined. Those two information set the conditions. As it is an example, we can simply consider ##L_2([-1,1])##. Taylor series are often developed around ##x=0##, so the choice of this interval makes some sense.
 
fresh_42 said:
In the end it depends which topological space you consider and how the inner product is defined. Those two information set the conditions. As it is an example, we can simply consider ##L_2([-1,1])##. Taylor series are often developed around ##x=0##, so the choice of this interval makes some sense.
This arrives at the legendary basis so It is abit fishy that it is a “coincidence “.So I could pic any numbers around 0?
 
Somali_Physicist said:
This arrives at the legendary basis so It is abit fishy that it is a “coincidence “.So I could pic any numbers around 0?
I haven't checked the algorithm. You might get additional scaling factors for your basis vectors by a different inner product, i.e. other spaces. Depends on whether you want to have a orthonormal or orthogonal basis.
 
fresh_42 said:
I haven't checked the algorithm. You might get additional scaling factors for your basis vectors by a different inner product, i.e. other spaces. Depends on whether you want to have a orthonormal or orthogonal basis.
I don’t believe that matters here, I just want to clarify why the limits were used and can we change them ad hocly.
 
Somali_Physicist said:
I don’t believe that matters here, I just want to clarify why the limits were used and can we change them ad hocly.
As I said, the limits are determined by the space you consider, which again is determined by the elements and the inner product. You must now reason backwards. First is the space, then algorithm and at the end the basis. Another space results in another basis.
 
fresh_42 said:
As I said, the limits are determined by the space you consider, which again is determined by the elements and the inner product. You must now reason backwards. First is the space, then algorithm and at the end the basis. Another space results in another basis.
Ahh okay, well we want orthanormal bases, is it because of that we chose -1 to 1?
 
Somali_Physicist said:
Ahh okay, well we want orthonormal bases, is it because of that we chose -1 to 1?
No. One possibility for an inner product for say, continuous functions on a real interval ##[a,b]## is e.g. ## \langle f,g \rangle = \int_a^b f(x)g(x)\,dx\,.## This determines how the algorithm is done and what basis finally drops out. You start with the Hilbert space which you want to consider, not the other way around. At the end of this article here https://www.physicsforums.com/insights/hilbert-spaces-relatives/ you can find some other examples. E.g. 5.10 is worth a look. There the integration is over the entire manifold. Of course in the above example we would get infinite integrals if we regarded ##\mathbb{R}## as our domain, so we need some restrictions on the allowed functions. But in general there is a variety of examples. As soon as you define and thus tell us, which Hilbert space you use, as soon can we talk about the algorithm and the borders of integration: different borders means different Hilbert spaces. So before the question even occurs, it has to be said, what we are talking about. I admit that this information isn't part of what you copied and in my opinion sloppy.
 

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