Graph f'(x) = 4x^2 (x+3): Troubleshooting Logic

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The discussion revolves around the analysis of the derivative of the function f(x) = x^4 + 4x^3 - 2, specifically focusing on the critical points and the behavior of the function's graph based on its first derivative, f'(x) = 4x^2(x+3). Participants are troubleshooting the logic behind their sketches and the implications of the derivative's sign changes.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant calculates the derivative f'(x) and identifies critical points at 0 and -3, intending to sketch the curve based on the sign of the derivative.
  • Another participant questions whether the original function should be y = x^4 - 4x^2 - 2 instead of the one stated, suggesting a potential misunderstanding in the function being analyzed.
  • Participants discuss the sequence of signs for the derivative, with one asserting that the sequence should be -, +, -, +, while another explains that the graph of f'(x) is below the x-axis for x < -3 and above for x > -3, indicating a tangent at x = 0.
  • One participant mentions using a number line test to determine the signs of the derivative, indicating a method for analyzing the behavior of the function.
  • A later reply reveals that a mistake was found in the y-value used for the sketch, suggesting that the earlier conclusions may have been based on incorrect information.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the correct interpretation of the function and its derivative, with no consensus reached on the implications of the derivative's sign changes or the accuracy of the sketches.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved issues regarding the correct form of the original function and the implications of the derivative's behavior, which may affect the conclusions drawn from the analysis.

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Given equation
f(x) = x^4 + 4x^3 - 2

so f ' (x) = 4x^3 + 12x^2
which simplified to
f ' (x) = 4x^2 (x+3), thus our critical points are 0 and -3

I will use this to sketch the curve
f ' (x) = 4x^2 (x+3)

Results are below.
According to my "sketch", the sequence is - , +, +, +
B means "before"
A means "after"
I used a very close number to generate this list

But I could not generate any sketch because (0,0) pair cannot have a +, +, + sequence. There must be a - sign, meaning the correct sequence should be -, +, -, +.
I need to hite (0,0) but there is no way as (-3,0) is increasing.

My calculator shows a different sequence. What is wrong with my sketch logic here?
 

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jwxie said:
Given equation
f(x) = x^4 + 4x^3 - 2

so f ' (x) = 4x^3 + 12x^2
which simplified to
f ' (x) = 4x^2 (x+3), thus our critical points are 0 and -3

I will use this to sketch the curve
f ' (x) = 4x^2 (x+3)
Don't you mean the original curve, y= x^4- 4x^2- 2?

Results are below.
According to my "sketch", the sequence is - , +, +, +
B means "before"
A means "after"
I used a very close number to generate this list

But I could not generate any sketch because (0,0) pair cannot have a +, +, + sequence. There must be a - sign, meaning the correct sequence should be -, +, -, +.
I need to hite (0,0) but there is no way as (-3,0) is increasing.

My calculator shows a different sequence. What is wrong with my sketch logic here?
If you actually are graphing y= 4x^2(x+3), then, yes, the graph is below the x-axis for x< -3 and above the x-axis for x> -3. The graph is then tangent to the x-axis at x= 0. It drops down from a maximum value (at (-2, 16)) to (0,0) but does NOT cross the axis there. It goes back up again.
 
but as you see, in order to test the +, -, i did number line test which used the first derivative.
 
i just found the problem.
the test was corrected but the y value was wrong...
 

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