Graph z=f(x,y): Tracing the x-axis, y-axis, and Lines

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around sketching the traces and graph of the function z = f(x,y) where f(x,y) = x - 2y. Participants are tasked with understanding the implications of different values of z and the behavior of the function in various planes.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the traces for z = 0 and z = 1, questioning the nature of the resulting lines in the x-y plane. There is discussion about the interpretation of the function as a plane and the identification of slopes for the traces. Some participants express confusion about the relationship between the traces and the overall graph.

Discussion Status

The conversation is ongoing, with various interpretations being explored. Some participants have provided clarifications on the nature of the traces and the function, while others are still seeking to understand how to combine the individual traces into a cohesive graph.

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There are indications of confusion regarding the definitions of traces versus cross sections, as well as the correct slopes of the lines derived from the function. Participants are also addressing potential mistakes in their initial sketches and calculations.

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Homework Statement



Sketch the indicated traces, and the graph z = f(x,y)

f(x,y) = x - 2y z = 0; z = 1; x = 0; y = 0

The Attempt at a Solution



z = f(x,y) = 0 = x - 2y -> y = -x/2 the trace is a line

z = f(x,y) = 1 = x - 2y -> y = x-1/2 another line going through x = 1/2

z = f(0,y) = 0 - 2y -> z = -2y a line with slope -1 in zy plane

z = f(x,0) = x - 0 -> z = xI drew the graph, and i wanted to verify. The one on wolframalpha is too hard to verify...

If it is wrong, please tell me what went wrong. Thanks...

When I drew the graph, I noticed that the third and fourth traces were simply x and y axis...
 

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If f(x, y, z)= x- 2yz= 0 then 2yz= x and z= x/2y. That is a "hyperoloid of one sheet".

Your graph doesn't really show much- it looks to me like a part of a plane.
 
HallsofIvy said:
If f(x, y, z)= x- 2yz= 0 then 2yz= x and z= x/2y. That is a "hyperoloid of one sheet".

Your graph doesn't really show much- it looks to me like a part of a plane.
It's actually a plane, but jwxie didn't include punctuation to separate the function from the traces required.

I'm pretty sure this is what was intended:
For this function f(x,y) = x - 2y, sketch these traces: z = 0; z = 1; x = 0; y = 0.
 
jwxie said:

Homework Statement



Sketch the indicated traces, and the graph z = f(x,y)

f(x,y) = x - 2y z = 0; z = 1; x = 0; y = 0


The Attempt at a Solution



z = f(x,y) = 0 = x - 2y -> y = -x/2 the trace is a line
The equation of the line in the x-y plane is y = x/2. Its slope is m = 1/2.
jwxie said:
z = f(x,y) = 1 = x - 2y -> y = x-1/2 another line going through x = 1/2
The trace is a line in the plane z = 1. Its slope is 1/2, as before. The line goes through (0, -1/2, 1).
jwxie said:
z = f(0,y) = 0 - 2y -> z = -2y a line with slope -1 in zy plane
No, the slope is -2.
jwxie said:
z = f(x,0) = x - 0 -> z = x


I drew the graph, and i wanted to verify. The one on wolframalpha is too hard to verify...

If it is wrong, please tell me what went wrong. Thanks...

When I drew the graph, I noticed that the third and fourth traces were simply x and y axis...
No, the 3rd and 4th traces are lines in the y-z plane and x-z plane, respectively.
 
First to get sense what figure are you drawing notice:
z=x-2y

x+2y+z=0

That is clearly a plane which passes through (0,0,0) and it is perpendicular of the vector (1,2,1).

You've found

jwxie said:
z = f(x,y) = 0 = x - 2y -> y = -x/2 the trace is a line

z = f(x,y) = 1 = x - 2y -> y = x-1/2 another line going through x = 1/2

z = f(0,y) = 0 - 2y -> z = -2y a line with slope -1 in zy plane

z = f(x,0) = x - 0 -> z = x

well. You did not sketch them right.

Regards.
 
njama said:
First to get sense what figure are you drawing notice:
z=x-2y

x+2y+z=0
Your algebra is off, here. z = x - 2y <==> x - 2y - z = 0. A normal to this plane is the vector <1, -2, -1>.
njama said:
That is clearly a plane which passes through (0,0,0) and it is perpendicular of the vector (1,2,1).

You've found



well. You did not sketch them right.

Regards.
 
Hi, Mark. Sorry for all the mistakes. I just checked what I had on the paper, apparently I should have looked at my paper while posting the message.

I had the exact thing as you mentioned.

I agreed with you that
when z = 0,, we have y = x/2, and thus slope m = 1/2
when z = 1,, we have y = x-1/2, and thus slope m = 1/2 because the equation is 1/2 (x-1)
when z = 0,, we have z = -2y and thus m = -2
when y = 0,, we have z = xi know how the curves each individual trace in R2 (for example, when z = 0, we have xy axis graph, y = x/2) look like.

how do i combine them?
thank you.
 
You already have the y-z trace. Do another one in the plane x = 2, for example. That should give you a good idea of what your function looks like (the graph is a plane).
 
Mark44 said:
You already have the y-z trace. Do another one in the plane x = 2, for example. That should give you a good idea of what your function looks like (the graph is a plane).

Hi. Thank you. I have the xy traces (two lines, x/2 and x-1/2)
i also have the xz trace (when y = k), and this gives me the xz plane

you mean i need to sketch an yz plane with x = k?
 
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jwxie said:
Hi. Thank you. I have the xy traces (two lines, x/2 and x-1/2)
There is only one x-y trace: the line in the x-y plane whose equation is y = x/2. The other line is the cross-section (not trace) in the plane z = 1, with equation y = x/2 - 1/2.
jwxie said:
i also have the xz trace (when y = k), and this gives me the xz plane
The x-z trace is the plane y = 0, not y = k. This trace is not the x-z plane; it is the line z = x in the plane y = 0.
jwxie said:
you mean i need to sketch an yz plane with x = k?
What I mean is that you should sketch the cross section in some plane parallel to the y-z plane, such as in the plance x = 5.

There are only three traces:
x-y trace, the cross section of the graph of your function in the x-y plane (the plane z = 0).
x-z trace, the cross section of the graph in the x-z plane (the plane y = 0).
y-z trace, the cross section of the graph in the y-z plane (the plane x = 0).

Intersections of the graph of the function with other planes are called cross sections. Cross sections in planes parallel to the x-y plane are called level curves.
 
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thank you mark. i got it.
 

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