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The discussion revolves around the interpretation of the area under Current-Time and Voltage-Time graphs in the context of an RC circuit while charging a capacitor. Participants explore the connections between integration, charge, and the physical meanings of these areas in relation to circuit behavior.

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  • Participants discuss the implications of integrating current to find total charge and question the significance of the area under the Voltage-Time graph, considering its units and potential meanings.

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There is an ongoing exploration of the relationships between current, voltage, and charge, with some participants providing insights into the definitions and implications of these concepts. Questions about the practical relevance of certain units in the context of an RC circuit are also being raised.

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Some participants note that while the units derived from integration have specific meanings, their relevance in the context of an RC circuit may require further clarification. The discussion acknowledges the importance of understanding underlying relationships in circuit analysis.

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Homework Statement
What is the meaning of the area under an RC circuit's Current-Time & Voltage-Time graph while charging the Capacitor?
Relevant Equations
[tex] I = \frac{V}{R} \exp (\frac{-t}{RC} ) [/tex]
This isn't a homework question per se but I wanted to understand how integration can connect things.

If we integrated the area under the graph, would this give us the total charge to charge the capacitor?

My logic here is purely based on units - if we integrate current on a current-time graph, the units of the integral is Amp sec which is coulombs.

Another question is - what is the meaning of the area under the Voltage-Time graph represent? In this case, this would give us unit of magnetic flux (Volt sec) but is there any other meaning to this?

Thanks again for your help!
 
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stunner5000pt said:
Homework Statement: What is the meaning of the area under an RC circuit's Current-Time & Voltage-Time graph while charging the Capacitor?
Relevant Equations: I = \frac{V}{R} \exp (\frac{-t}{RC} )

This isn't a homework question per se but I wanted to understand how integration can connect things.

If we integrated the area under the graph, would this give us the total charge to charge the capacitor?

My logic here is purely based on units - if we integrate current on a current-time graph, the units of the integral is Amp sec which is coulombs.
Yes. This is basically the definition of current; the flow of charge. ##Q=\int {i(t)} \, dt##, or ##\frac{dQ(t)}{dt} = i(t)##

stunner5000pt said:
Another question is - what is the meaning of the area under the Voltage-Time graph represent? In this case, this would give us unit of magnetic flux (Volt sec) but is there any other meaning to this?
The relationship between current and voltage is in the definition of capacitance. Like this:
##CV(t) = Q(t) = \int_0^t {i(\tau)} \, d\tau + Q(0)##. So the voltage is essentially a scaled version of the capacitor charge.

You could certainly integrate the voltage (or charge) over time, but it's not clear to me what value that has. Maybe in more complex circuits? It would certainly be a valuable operation if you had an inductor across the capacitor, then you would know the inductor current.

Dimensional analysis is a great tool for checking results or developing guesses. But you have to know the underlying relationships (equations) for it to make sense. For example is newton-meters torque, or work? You can't know from just the units.
 
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stunner5000pt said:
Homework Statement: What is the meaning of the area under an RC circuit's Current-Time & Voltage-Time graph while charging the Capacitor?
Relevant Equations: I = \frac{V}{R} \exp (\frac{-t}{RC} )

My logic here is purely based on units - if we integrate current on a current-time graph, the units of the integral is Amp sec which is coulombs.
Yes.

stunner5000pt said:
Homework Statement: What is the meaning of the area under an RC circuit's Current-Time & Voltage-Time graph while charging the Capacitor?
Relevant Equations: I = \frac{V}{R} \exp (\frac{-t}{RC} )

Another question is - what is the meaning of the area under the Voltage-Time graph represent? In this case, this would give us unit of magnetic flux (Volt sec) but is there any other meaning to this?
Yes, Volt⋅sec = weber. Another meaning is joule/amp =weber
 
gleem said:
Yes, Volt⋅sec = weber. Another meaning is joule/amp =weber
But then why would you care about this in an RC circuit? It has a name, but does it mean anything in this system? Context matters.
 
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