Gravitation, really hard at least for me

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving gravitational force between a particle and a uniform rod. The original poster presents a scenario with specific mass and distance values, seeking to calculate the gravitational force exerted on the particle by the rod.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to derive the gravitational force using integration, expressing the mass element in terms of the rod's density. Some participants question the clarity of the integral limits and suggest ensuring unit consistency, such as converting centimeters to meters.

Discussion Status

Participants are engaged in verifying the original poster's approach, with some affirming the correctness of the method. A productive direction is noted, as the original poster identifies a potential oversight in their calculations related to unit conversion.

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There is mention of a specific numerical answer that was misentered due to a formatting error, highlighting the importance of careful data entry in problem-solving.

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Homework Statement


In Fig. 13-41, a particle of mass m1 = 0.23 kg is a distance d = 84 cm from one end of a uniform rod with length L = 6.4 m and mass M = 2.4 kg. What is the magnitude of the gravitational force on the particle from the rod?

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http://edugen.wiley.com/edugen/courses/crs1650/art/qb/qu/c13/fig13_41.gif

The Attempt at a Solution


ok...so i figured that the desnity of the rod, M/L should be the same for dm/dr...so then dm=(M/L)dx. (i thought just to visualize easier i made dr into dx, so it looked like a coordinate system to me)

then i figured i had to integrate F=int (dF)

so i did F= int (Gmdm)/(x+d)^2...since dm=(M/L)dx this made the integral
int (GmMdx)/L(x+d)^2

further simplifying i got F= (GmM/L) integral dx(x+d)^2

after integration i got F= GmM/L multiplied by -(x+d)^-1 from 0 to L...

then i solved, etc. but got the wrong answer...any idea if this is totally off or if i made a silly mistake somewhere?
 
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It looks correct...
 
It looks correct to me, too. However, I would just make a comment on your integral: you should be more explicit about the limits. E.g. I did a change of variables that changed my limits to d and L+d (but anyway I got the same result as you).

Maybe you just forgot to convert cm to m?
 
i'm an idiot... the answer was about 6.05e-12, and when i plugged it into the website i left out the e-12...what a silly mistake! well, i have looked at it sooo many times at least that i will never forget how to do this problem...
 

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