Gravitational field of a hollow sphere

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of the area of thin rings in the context of a hollow sphere's gravitational field. Participants are exploring the geometric interpretation of these rings and the appropriate methods for calculating their areas.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are examining the relationship between the dimensions of a trapezoid and the area of a ring, questioning the validity of using certain dimensions in their calculations. There is a suggestion to substitute a specific expression for the line element and integrate over an angle to find the total area.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants providing different perspectives on the geometric interpretation of the area calculation. Some guidance has been offered regarding the visualization of the infinitesimal strip, but there is no explicit consensus on the correct approach to take.

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Participants are grappling with the definitions and assumptions related to the dimensions used in their area calculations, particularly the role of the line element and its orientation in relation to the bases of the trapezoid.

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Why the area of the thin rings are ##2πasin\theta \, ds##? (a is the radius of the hollow sphere)

If we look from a little bit different way, the ring can be viewed as a thin trapezoid that has the same base length ( ##2πa sin\theta##), and the legs are ## ds##.
The angle between the leg and the lower base is ##90-\theta##. Hence,we can conclude that the height of the trapezoid is ##ds \, sin\theta##.

Since the base length is more or less the same, the area is just base x height.
This means, the area is :##2πa sin\theta \, ds \, sin \theta##.
 
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Why don't you substitute ##ds=a~d\theta##, then integrate your area element over ##\theta## from ##0## to ##\pi##. Do you get ##4\pi a^2## for the area of the shell?
 
kuruman said:
Why don't you substitute ##ds=a~d\theta##, then integrate your area element over ##\theta## from ##0## to ##\pi##. Do you get ##4\pi a^2## for the area of the shell?
Yes.

But, ##ds## is not the height of the trapezoid. So, in my opinion, we are not supposed to multiply this with the ##2πa sin\theta## to get the area.
 
Rikudo said:
the height of the trapezoid is dssinθ.
Sure, but the height of the trapezoid is not what you need. A wall length L and height H has area LH. If it then leans over at angle θ it still has area HL, not HL cos(θ).
 
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haruspex said:
A wall length L and height H has area LH. If it then leans over at angle θ it still has area HL, not HL cos(θ)
Umm... well, it is is true, but what is the relation of it with the area of ring?

haruspex said:
but the height of the trapezoid is not what you need.
Why, though? We can't use ##ds## as its height since it is not perpendicular to the bases.
 
Rikudo said:
Why, though? We can't use ##ds## as its height since it is not perpendicular to the bases.
@Rikudo, I suspect your difficulty arises because you are not 'visualising' the infinitessimal 3D strip correctly.

The line element ##ds## is perpendicular to both the inner and outer edges of the strip. That means the (infinitessimal) strip has the same area as a rectangle measuring ##2\pi a \sin \theta## by ##ds##.
 
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