Electric field direction on a grounded conducting sphere

Click For Summary

Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around determining the direction of the electric field on the surface of a grounded conducting sphere influenced by a nearby point charge. The problem involves concepts from electrostatics, particularly the method of images and the behavior of electric fields around conductors.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to calculate the electric field using the potential derived from the method of images and questions whether the electric field can be assumed to be purely radial. Other participants inquire about the evaluation of specific derivatives and the implications of angle considerations in the context of the image charge.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the mathematical expressions and exploring the implications of their calculations. Some guidance has been offered regarding the evaluation of components of the electric field, and there is an ongoing examination of the assumptions made in the original calculations.

Contextual Notes

There are discussions about the behavior of the electric field as the radius approaches infinity, and concerns about potential sign errors in the calculations related to the image charge. The original poster acknowledges a correction in their potential calculation, which is relevant to the ongoing discussion.

zapman345
Messages
11
Reaction score
2
Homework Statement
Is the angle that the electric field makes on the surface of a grounded conducting sphere near a (positive) point charge 90°? I.e. is the electric field pointed radially outward from the sphere.
Relevant Equations
##E=-\nabla V##
I am required to find the direction of the electric field on the surface of a grounded conducting sphere in the proximity of a point charge ##+q##. The distance between the center of the sphere and the point charge is ##d## and using the method of images we find that the charge of the sphere is ##q' = -\frac{R}{d}q## then we can calculate the potential which I found here:
$$V\left(\vec{r}\right) =\frac{q}{4\pi\epsilon_{0}}\left[\frac{1}{\sqrt{d^{2}+r^{2}-2dr\cos\left(\theta\right)}}-\frac{\frac{R}{d}}{\sqrt{\left(\frac{R^{2}}{d}\right)^{2}+r^{2}-2\left(\frac{R^{2}}{d}\right)r\cos\left(\theta\right)}}\right]$$
Now we also know that the electric field is:
\begin{align*}

E & =-\nabla V\\

& =-\left(\frac{\partial V}{\partial r}\hat{r}+\frac{1}{r}\frac{\partial V}{\partial\theta}\hat{\theta}+\frac{1}{r\sin\left(\theta\right)}\frac{\partial V}{\partial\phi}\hat{\phi}\right)\\

& =-\left(\frac{\partial V}{\partial r}\hat{r}+\frac{1}{r}\frac{\partial V}{\partial\theta}\hat{\theta}\right)\\

\end{align*}
Can I from this positively say that the electric field outside the sphere is not radially pointed outward only, and thus does not make a 90° angle with the surface of the sphere?
 
Physics news on Phys.org
Don't you need to evaluate ##\frac{\partial V}{\partial\theta}## at r=R?
 
I did but that wouldn't make the ##\theta## component vanish cause I find that $$E_{\theta} = -\frac{1}{r}\cdot\left(\frac{rR^{3}\sin(\theta)}{d^{2}\left(\frac{R^{4}}{d^{2}}-\frac{2rR^{2}\cos(\theta)}{d}+r^{2}\right)^{3/2}}-\frac{dr\sin(\theta)}{\left(d^{2}-2dr\cos(\theta)+r^{2}\right)^{3/2}}\right)\hat{\theta}$$ Which even at ##r=R## doesn't vanish, it does vanish for ##\theta=0## but that is a trivial solution as that is the line directly between the real and fictive charge used in the method of images. For any ##\theta\neq0## this won't vanish but intuitively I think it should vanish because we're talking about a spherical object.
 
Consider the case R →∞ , you should recover the flat plane case for the potential. I think you need to worry about the angle for the image charge...you seem have a sign wrong.
 
You were right. The potential I had calculated should be $$
\begin{align*}

V\left(\vec{r}\right) & =\frac{q}{4\pi\epsilon_{0}}\left[\frac{1}{\sqrt{r^{2}+d^{2}-2dr\cos\left(\theta\right)}}-\frac{1}{\sqrt{R^{2}+\left(\frac{rd}{R}\right)^{2}-2dr\cos\left(\theta\right)}}\right]\\

\end{align*}$$
Then for the electric field you will find $$\begin{align*}
E & =-\frac{q}{4\pi\epsilon_{0}}\left\{ \left(\frac{2\left(\frac{d}{R}\right)^{2}r-2d\cos(\theta)}{2\left(R^{2}+\left(\frac{dr}{R}\right)^{2}-2ar\cos(\theta)\right)^{3/2}}+\frac{2r-2d\cos(\theta)}{2\left(r^{2}+d^{2}-2dr\cos(\theta)\right)^{3/2}}\right)\hat{r}+\frac{1}{r}\cdot\left(\frac{dr\sin\left(\theta\right)}{\left(R^{2}+\left(\frac{rd}{R}\right)^{2}-2dr\cos\left(\theta\right)\right)^{3/2}}-\frac{dr\sin\left(\theta\right)}{\left(r^{2}+d^{2}-2dr\cos\left(\theta\right)\right)^{3/2}}\right)\hat{\theta}\right\}

\end{align*}$$

Which reduces to
\begin{align*}

E\left(r=R\right) & =-\frac{q}{4\pi\epsilon_{0}}\left(\frac{d^{2}-R^{2}}{R\left(R^{2}+d^{2}-2dR\cos(\theta)\right)^{3/2}}\hat{r}+0\hat{\theta}\right)\\

& =-\frac{q}{4\pi\epsilon_{0}}\left(\frac{d^{2}-R^{2}}{R\left(R^{2}+d^{2}-2dR\cos(\theta)\right)^{3/2}}\right)\hat{r}

\end{align*}

Pointing only in the radial direction on the surface as expected. Thank you for all your help.
 

Similar threads

Replies
12
Views
2K
Replies
2
Views
1K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
1K
  • · Replies 17 ·
Replies
17
Views
2K
Replies
1
Views
3K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
1K
Replies
11
Views
2K
Replies
23
Views
5K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
2K