Gravitational Fields - is this the right way to solve it?

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving gravitational fields, specifically calculating the mass and radius of a newly discovered planet based on its moon's orbital characteristics and surface gravitational effects. The original poster presents their attempts at solving the problem using gravitational equations and questions the validity of their approach.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • The original poster attempts to use energy conservation and gravitational equations to find the mass of the planet and the radius based on the moon's orbital period. Some participants question the simplification made by omitting the r^2 term in the gravitational equation, while others suggest that the mass of the planet should be significantly larger than that of the moon for accurate calculations.

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Participants are actively engaging with the original poster's reasoning, providing insights into the necessary considerations for solving the problem. There is a recognition of the need to incorporate the moon's orbital period into the calculations, and some guidance has been offered regarding the assumptions that should be made about the mass of the planet relative to its moon.

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The problem involves specific values such as the distance between the planet and its moon, the period of rotation, and the gravitational constant. There is an emphasis on the assumptions regarding the mass of the planet compared to its moon, which may affect the calculations.

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I've completed this question and have an answer but I am unsure if my method is correct. The question reads:

A space exploration mission has discovered a new planet with a single moon. The distance between the centres of the planet and its moon is found to be 250000km and the period of rotation of the moon around the planet is 200 hours. On the surface of the planet one experiment shows that an object projected upwards at 20m/s just reaches a height of 14.7m. Taking G to be 6.67 x 10^-11Nm^2/Kg^2 calculate

a) the mass of the planet

I did:

mgh = 1/2 x m x v^2

so g x 14.7 = 1/2 x 20^2

g = 13.6N/kg

I know g = G x (m/r^2) so g is proportional to m

g = Gm so 13.6/6.67 x 10^-11 = m

m = 2.04 x 10^11kg

b) the radius of the planet

i was going to calculate this by T^2 being proportional to r^3.

T = m x r^3

200 x 60 x 60 = 2.04 x 10^11 x r^3

however this gave me an r for the moon as 0.0152m which can't be right...

Is this the right method or have I gone about it in the wrong way?

Any advice would be much appreciated

Thank you
 
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sorry to be a pain but if there's anyone who can help with this question it would be great
 
fabbo said:
I know g = G x (m/r^2) so g is proportional to m

g = Gm so 13.6/6.67 x 10^-11 = m
How did you get from g = Gm/r^2 to g = Gm ?
 
fabbo said:
I've completed this question and have an answer but I am unsure if my method is correct. The question reads:

A space exploration mission has discovered a new planet with a single moon. The distance between the centres of the planet and its moon is found to be 250000km and the period of rotation of the moon around the planet is 200 hours. On the surface of the planet one experiment shows that an object projected upwards at 20m/s just reaches a height of 14.7m. Taking G to be 6.67 x 10^-11Nm^2/Kg^2 calculate

a) the mass of the planet


b) the radius of the planet
As Doc Al has pointed out, you cannot ignore the r^2 term.

You have to use the period of rotation of the moon around the planet to determine the mass of the planet (and assume that the mass of the planet is much larger than its moon so the orbit radius about the centre of mass is approximately the separation between their centres - otherwise it gets rather more difficult to solve).

Then use the mass of the planet and the acceleration at its surface to determine its surface radius.

AM
 

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