Gravitational force and distance

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The discussion centers on the gravitational force experienced by an individual as they move towards the center of the Earth, exploring the implications of gravitational equations and the application of Gauss's law in this context. Participants examine the theoretical aspects of gravitational pull, pressure at the Earth's center, and the differences in gravitational behavior inside a solid sphere versus a hollow one.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether they would be crushed by gravitational force if they could reach the center of the Earth, referencing the equation F=GmM/d².
  • Another participant points out that the equation is not valid for distances greater than the Earth's radius and suggests applying Gauss's law instead.
  • Some participants argue that as one approaches the center of the Earth, the enclosed mass decreases, which affects gravitational acceleration.
  • It is noted that the pressure at the Earth's center is extremely high, approximately 350 GPa, and that maintaining a column of air would result in lower pressure compared to rock.
  • Participants discuss the gravitational field's behavior inside a uniform sphere, indicating that the gravitational force approaches zero as one reaches the center.
  • There is mention of a potential dichotomy between Newtonian and relativistic gravity at the Earth's center, although this point is presented as an aside.
  • One participant describes a method for calculating the net gravitational force experienced below the Earth's surface by considering the solid sphere below and the hollow shell above.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the application of gravitational equations and the implications of Gauss's law, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain unresolved. There is no consensus on the specific outcomes of reaching the center of the Earth.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on assumptions about uniform density and the applicability of different gravitational models in various regions of the Earth.

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If F=GmM / d^2 Let's assume we're using it to measure the force between me and the earth, as i go further away the force on my decreases, what would happen if i could go right to the centre of the earth? would i be crushed under the force or what?
 
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Well for starters that equation is invalid for distances d>r; where r is the radius i.e. beneath the surface of the earth. Beneath the surface, you'll have to apply Gauss' law. Mayb that should get you thinking.

Are you familiar with Gauss's law? Use geometry to get a feel as to what the resultant force is on a particle in a hollow sphere then apply that thinking to the earth.

edit: I forgot to say that r is the radius of the earth
 
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Im not talking about a hollow sphere, because it has to have mass to have a gravitational pull, but if i assume there was a well that went to the Earth's core, i jumped in and made it to the bottom, would i be crushed under the force when i reach the middle?

Also i don't see how Gauss's law can help me with this problem, although he states the equation i mentioned before and that gravity acts as if the mass is concentrated at the centre, I am trying to work out what would happen at the centre if i could get there.
 
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Xile said:
If F=GmM / d^2 Let's assume we're using it to measure the force between me and the earth, as i go further away the force on my decreases, what would happen if i could go right to the centre of the earth? would i be crushed under the force or what?
As ranger indicated the acceleration of gravity depends on the mass enclosed in a sphere. As one goes to the center of the earth, the enclosed mass decreases.

On the other hand, the Earth's mass pulls on itself, and the pressure at the center of Earth is on the order of 350 GPa. (1 atm is ~0.1 MPa, or ~0.0001 GPa).

If one could maintain a column of air to the center of the earth, the pressure would be less since the density of the air is less than rock.
 
Xile said:
Im not talking about a hollow sphere, because it has to have mass to have a gravitational pull, but if i assume there was a well that went to the Earth's core, i jumped in and made it to the bottom, would i be crushed under the force when i reach the middle?

Also i don't see how Gauss's law can help me with this problem, although he states the equation i mentioned before and that gravity acts as if the mass is concentrated at the centre, I am trying to work out what would happen at the centre if i could get there.

There is a Gauss's Law equivalent for gravitational field.

http://scienceworld.wolfram.com/physics/BouguerGravity.html

You have to recalculate the radial dependence for the inside solution. The 1/r^2 dependence no longer work in this region (as anyone who has done electrostatic problems can tell you).

If you assume a sphere of uniform density, you'll see that the gravitational field drops with r, not 1/r^2 for the inside solution. So the gravitational force goes to zero as r -> 0.

Zz.
 
ZapperZ said:
There is a Gauss's Law equivalent for gravitational field.

http://scienceworld.wolfram.com/physics/BouguerGravity.html

You have to recalculate the radial dependence for the inside solution. The 1/r^2 dependence no longer work in this region (as anyone who has done electrostatic problems can tell you).

If you assume a sphere of uniform density, you'll see that the gravitational field drops with r, not 1/r^2 for the inside solution. So the gravitational force goes to zero as r -> 0.

Zz.

that's pretty cute. isn't there a dichotomy between Newtonian gravity and relativistic gravity at the center of the earth?
 
ice109 said:
that's pretty cute. isn't there a dichotomy between Newtonian gravity and relativistic gravity at the center of the earth?

The OP was asking about gravitational force and referred to the Newtonian formula.
 
neutrino said:
The OP was asking about gravitational force and referred to the Newtonian formula.

my question was an aside.
 
To calculate the force a person feels when below the surface of the Earth, you divide the Earth into two pieces:
- the solid sphere that is below him
- the hollow spherical shell that is above him

The inner sphere below him acts as a point mass.

The hollow shell above him cancels out its gravitational forces, leaving net zero because the forces felt anywhere inside any hollow sphere are net zero.

Using these, it is trivial to calculate the net forces felt at the centre of the Earth ( i.e. where the inner sphere is of radius zero - hint hint.)
 

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