Gravitational Force and initial velocity

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The discussion revolves around the motion of a body thrown upwards from the Earth's surface with escape velocity as its initial velocity, while disregarding air resistance. The subject area includes gravitational force and motion under the influence of gravity.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the application of Newton's 2nd Law of Motion and the setup of integrals related to energy conservation. Questions arise regarding the limits of integration and the treatment of energy in the context of the problem.

Discussion Status

Some participants provide guidance on setting up integrals and relate the problem to conservation of energy principles. There is an ongoing exploration of different approaches to the integral and the interpretation of variables involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants note potential confusion regarding the initial conditions and the definition of energy in the problem setup. There is an acknowledgment of the complexity introduced by the variable nature of gravitational force as the body moves away from the Earth.

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Homework Statement



What is the motion of a body thrown upwards from the Earth's surface, with escape velocity as it's initial velocity. Disregard the air resistance.

Homework Equations



v_e = \sqrt{\frac{2 G M}{x}}
F_g = \frac{G M m}{x^2}

The Attempt at a Solution



I though this was a simple problem, by just applying Newton's 2nd Law of Motion.

m \frac{dv}{dt} = \frac{-G M m}{x^2}

However, as the force F depends on the position, x(t) can be determined by solving the integral:

\int_{x_0}^{x} \frac{dx}{\pm \sqrt{(E + \frac{G M m}{x})}} = \sqrt{\frac{2}{m}} t

I'm really lost here. How do I solve this?
And, by the way, shouldn't the Energy (E), in this case, be zero?

Any help appreciated.


PS: The correct answer is:

x (t) = (x_0^\frac{3}{2} + \frac{3}{2} \sqrt{2 G M} t)^\frac{2}{3}
 
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That integral came up wrong.
x_0 and x should be the limits of integration.
 
You seem to be most of the way there, except that I don't understand exactly how you set up your integral.

One way I can think of to do it is, starting from your Newton's 2nd law:
m \frac{dv}{dt} = \frac{-G M m}{x^2}

Then using the fact dv/dt = dv/dx dx/dt = v dv/dx, which you probably also did, separate variables and integrate both sides:
\int v dv = \int -\frac{GM}{x^2} dx

to get
\frac{1}{2} v^2 = \frac{GM}{x}
This expression just expresses conservation of energy (-d(KE) = d(PE)) and satisfies the "escape velocity" condition of KE + PE = 0 at x0 (with no extra constant of integration).

Isolating and substituting v = dx/dt:
v = \sqrt{2GM} x^{-1/2} = dx/dt

Now separate variables and integrate again, and determine your integration constant at x0.
 
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I can't believe I missed a simple separated variables equation.
Thanks for your help.

olivermsun said:
You seem to be most of the way there, except that I don't understand exactly how you set up your integral.

The integral comes from the conservation of energy principle.

T + V(x) = E
\frac{1}{2}m v^2 + V(x) = E
v = \frac{dx}{dt} = \sqrt{\frac{2}{m}} [E - V(x)]^\frac{1}{2}

Then, you can find x(t) solving:

\sqrt{\frac{m}{2}} \int_{x_0}^{x} \frac{dx}{\sqrt{E - V(x)}} = t - t_0

In this case, the potential energy V(x) = \frac{G M m}{x}
 
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Ah, right, it's the same integral, but you have chosen to retain little m and moved everything to the dx side. Cool. :)
 

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