Gravitational Force and initial velocity

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The discussion focuses on the motion of a body thrown upwards from the Earth's surface with escape velocity as its initial velocity, disregarding air resistance. Key equations include the escape velocity formula, v_e = √(2GM/x), and the gravitational force equation, F_g = GMm/x². Participants clarify the integration process necessary to derive the position function x(t) and emphasize the conservation of energy principle, leading to the correct expression for x(t) = (x_0^(3/2) + (3/2)√(2GM)t)^(2/3). The discussion highlights the importance of correctly setting up integrals in physics problems.

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Homework Statement



What is the motion of a body thrown upwards from the Earth's surface, with escape velocity as it's initial velocity. Disregard the air resistance.

Homework Equations



v_e = \sqrt{\frac{2 G M}{x}}
F_g = \frac{G M m}{x^2}

The Attempt at a Solution



I though this was a simple problem, by just applying Newton's 2nd Law of Motion.

m \frac{dv}{dt} = \frac{-G M m}{x^2}

However, as the force F depends on the position, x(t) can be determined by solving the integral:

\int_{x_0}^{x} \frac{dx}{\pm \sqrt{(E + \frac{G M m}{x})}} = \sqrt{\frac{2}{m}} t

I'm really lost here. How do I solve this?
And, by the way, shouldn't the Energy (E), in this case, be zero?

Any help appreciated.


PS: The correct answer is:

x (t) = (x_0^\frac{3}{2} + \frac{3}{2} \sqrt{2 G M} t)^\frac{2}{3}
 
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That integral came up wrong.
x_0 and x should be the limits of integration.
 
You seem to be most of the way there, except that I don't understand exactly how you set up your integral.

One way I can think of to do it is, starting from your Newton's 2nd law:
m \frac{dv}{dt} = \frac{-G M m}{x^2}

Then using the fact dv/dt = dv/dx dx/dt = v dv/dx, which you probably also did, separate variables and integrate both sides:
\int v dv = \int -\frac{GM}{x^2} dx

to get
\frac{1}{2} v^2 = \frac{GM}{x}
This expression just expresses conservation of energy (-d(KE) = d(PE)) and satisfies the "escape velocity" condition of KE + PE = 0 at x0 (with no extra constant of integration).

Isolating and substituting v = dx/dt:
v = \sqrt{2GM} x^{-1/2} = dx/dt

Now separate variables and integrate again, and determine your integration constant at x0.
 
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I can't believe I missed a simple separated variables equation.
Thanks for your help.

olivermsun said:
You seem to be most of the way there, except that I don't understand exactly how you set up your integral.

The integral comes from the conservation of energy principle.

T + V(x) = E
\frac{1}{2}m v^2 + V(x) = E
v = \frac{dx}{dt} = \sqrt{\frac{2}{m}} [E - V(x)]^\frac{1}{2}

Then, you can find x(t) solving:

\sqrt{\frac{m}{2}} \int_{x_0}^{x} \frac{dx}{\sqrt{E - V(x)}} = t - t_0

In this case, the potential energy V(x) = \frac{G M m}{x}
 
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Ah, right, it's the same integral, but you have chosen to retain little m and moved everything to the dx side. Cool. :)
 

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