Gravitational Force & Energy Conservation

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concepts of gravitational force and energy conservation, specifically addressing how energy is transferred between potential and kinetic forms within a system. Participants explore the implications of negative potential energy and negative work in classical mechanics.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that energy in a closed system remains constant but is transferred between potential and kinetic energy as an object is acted upon by gravitational force.
  • Others question the meaning of negative potential energy and its implications for work done on an object.
  • One participant explains that negative potential energy indicates that positive work is needed to move a mass to a defined zero potential point, suggesting a context of being below that reference level.
  • Another participant discusses how negative work is defined in classical mechanics, indicating that it occurs when the force acts in opposition to the motion of an object, leading to a decrease in kinetic energy.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the principle that energy is conserved in a closed system but express differing views on the implications of negative potential energy and negative work, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the need for clarity on definitions of potential energy and work, as well as the context in which negative work is applied. The discussion does not resolve the nuances of these concepts.

Miraj Kayastha
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When Earth pulls a mass with gravitational force why does the energy of the earth-mass system decrease?
Isn't work just transfer of energy meaning constant overall energy?
 
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Yes, the energy is transferred from Potential energy (which decreases as stated) to Kinetic energy. The two statements are not contradictory
 
The amount of energy in a closed system stays constant, it's just transferred into different forms. As dauto said, the energy is transferred to kinetic energy, although the total amount of energy stays constant within the system.
 
Then what does negative potential mean?
 
Why will an object lose energy when external force does negative work on it?
 
Miraj Kayastha said:
Then what does negative potential mean?

It means that positive work would be required to move a unit mass from there to a position which is defined to have zero potential. If, for instance, you've defined the zero point to be at ground level then it means that you are in a hole. You would have to expend energy to climb out.
 
Miraj Kayastha said:
Why will an object lose energy when external force does negative work on it?

Here's how I understand it:

In the context of classical mechanics as you describe, negative work is performed by a force on an object roughly whenever the motion of the object is in the opposite direction as the force. This "opposition" is what causes the negative sign in the work. Such a negative work indicates that the force is tending to slow the object down i.e. decrease its kinetic energy.

From: http://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/65813/conceptually-what-is-negative-work
 

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