Gravitational potential question, nasty

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around gravitational potential energy and gravitational fields, specifically in the context of a satellite falling from a height of 400,000 meters to the Earth's surface. The original poster presents values for gravitational potential at various distances from the Earth's surface and poses two questions related to potential energy loss and the calculation of gravitational field strength at a specified height.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to calculate the change in potential energy using given gravitational potential values but expresses uncertainty about the correct radius to use for calculating gravitational field strength. Participants question the need for the Earth's radius and discuss whether it should be provided in the problem statement.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, with some providing guidance on using the Earth's radius as a constant value. However, there is a lack of consensus on whether the radius should have been included in the problem details, leading to further exploration of assumptions and interpretations.

Contextual Notes

There is a noted absence of the Earth's radius in the problem statement, which some participants feel is necessary for solving the gravitational field question. The discussion reflects on typical homework constraints regarding the information provided.

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Homework Statement


Values for the grav potential due to the Earth are given below:

dist from Earth's surface/m : grav potential/MJ kg-1
0 : -62.72
390 : -59.12
400 000 : -59.03
410 000 : -58.94
Infinity : 0

1. If a satellite of mass 700kg falls from a ht of 400 000m to the Earth's surface, how much potential energy does it lose?

2. Deduce a value for the Earth's grav field at a ht of 400 000m.

Homework Equations



g=F/m

grav potential, [tex]\phi[/tex]=Work done/mass
=GMeMm/r


The Attempt at a Solution


1)I think I got out this part.

Ep= m([tex]\Delta[/tex][tex]\phi[/tex])
=(-67.72--59.03)(700)
=-6083J

2) G=gMM/r2

RE: [tex]\phi[/tex]= GM/r

therefore, g=[tex]\phi[/tex]/r

But this r=Re + height?

And this is where I'm stumped.
 
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well at what height above the surface of the Earth are you trying to find g at? The total radius will be the radius of the earth+the height at which you are trying to find the g value for.
 
anubis01 said:
well at what height above the surface of the Earth are you trying to find g at? The total radius will be the radius of the earth+the height at which you are trying to find the g value for.

At a ht of 400 000m. But they did not give me the r of the earth. Do I need to find it?
 
the radius of the Earth is a physical constant, you can just look up the value (6378.1km) and use that to solve your equation.
 
anubis01 said:
the radius of the Earth is a physical constant, you can just look up the value (6378.1km) and use that to solve your equation.

I don't think you could do that. These questions usually give you everything you need to solve them..besides you wouldn't be able to do that in an exam..
 
So..anyone?
 

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